Carrier tools photo thread

[Tony Smith]

Getting this thread a little off the subject (only a little!), this tool came in a heap of LP2A carrier parts. It is marked "FMCo41 TL4032". I don't think this Ford Motor Company tool is either CMP, Civvy car, truck or tractor. It's not an Aussie Carrier part number, and FMC is not usually seen on English Ford stuff (EnFo). American Ford tools are usually stamped "Made in USA". Other Aussie Ford stuff often used FMC rather than a script "FORD". Does anyone recognise the number?
More importantly, what does it do?

[david moore]

Would this be the gizmo that operates the tire pump power take off on a CMP so fitted?

David Moore

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Tony Smith
s tool came in a heap of LP2A carrier parts. It is marked "FMCo41 TL4032

Tony,

Canadian carrier wheels were marked "FMCo41", so it could originate from there. The "TL" prefix to the number would appear to line up with Carriers, as British carrier parts were prefixed as such, LV2/TL.

As for its purpose, it looks remarkably like the radaitor drain cock tool supplied with Windsor carrier, etc.

Richard

[rob love]

I have the wrench TL4032 as well. It is for opening the antifreeze drains on the UC carriers, but only if you have the origional drain cocks on the block. I think mine came from Brian Asbury some years back.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

There you are Tony, I told you there would an immediate answer from the MLU fonts of knowledge.
Message for Moderator: How about a Carrier Tool Thread with these last few as a start?
Bob

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Bob Moseley
Message for Moderator: How about a Carrier Tool Thread with these last few as a start?

Bob, excellent idea so here you go.

Hanno

[Lynn Eades]

Tony the Food Manufacturing Company was/ is/ has been at some stage, the largest manufacturer of AFV,s in the world.
They made many of the parts for the Canadian carriers, and as the English carriers were primarily the same (not trying to offend anyone) then the parts are interchangeable (mostly) My guess is that Canada supplied the majority of spares for these carriers to N.Z. As a result I would suggest that every surviving English carrier in this country has FMC. parts some where. - Still waiting for someone to post a picture of a track jack (Eng. or Can.)

[Lynn Eades]

We received carriers from both Eng. and Can. so we get to compare. Parts are marked "TL " (Tank light) from England and "CTL" (Canadian Tank Light) (you guessed it!) from Canada. Every part I've ever seen that is big enough to do it, has a manufacturers I.D., a year of production and most importantly, a part number. The stuff I'm talking about here is not Ford/motor/ drive line stuff, just the carrier specific bits. Apart from the wheel bearings and return roller bearings nearly nothing is interchangeable with the L.P.2/2A (Aust. pattern carriers) New Zealand built about 600 Aussie pattern carriers.

[Tony Smith]

Originally posted by Lynn Eades
Tony the Food Manufacturing Company was/ is/ has been at some stage, the largest manufacturer of AFV,s in the world.

The FMC (Food Machinery Corporation) you're talking of is an American company that has had a hand in amphibious vehicles from the LVT Alligator and Buffalo vehicles of WW2 through to (and in Massive numbers!) the M113 family of APCs, and later the Bradley AFV. Did they supply components for carriers, too?
Ford Motor Company has often marked parts "Ford", "FMC", FMCo", or "FoMoCo" through the years. I have an Aussie Jeep trailer that was made, and marked, by FMC, Geelong. Absolutely Ford, not Food Machinery Corporation.

[Tony Smith]

Originally posted by Lynn Eades
New Zealand built about 600 Aussie pattern carriers.

Jeff Plowman has stated in his books that NZ built a total of 45 LP1, 315 LP2 and 855 LP2A carriers. You are not looking hard enough, Lynn, as you have only found half! Get searching.
(Note: the NZ LP1 carrier is not the same as an Aussie LP1, so NZ really only built 1170 Aussie pattern carriers)

[alleramilitaria]

tony, you are 100% right about FMC, and no it is not that old. it started in vehicles around the 50s and 60s. now i think its part of LTV corp. its funny to think that a food company made the bradley, but it figures, the first ones were lemons.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by alleramilitaria
tony, you are 100% right about FMC, and no it is not that old. it started in vehicles around the 50s and 60s. now i think its part of LTV corp. its funny to think that a food company made the bradley, but it figures, the first ones were lemons.

Dave,

Food Machinery Co. were definitly producing military vehicles during WW2 ( LVT's ), no different from Massey Harris, International Harvester and Allis Chalmers, all farm machinery makers.

FMCo is without doubt Ford Motor Company.

Richard

[alleramilitaria]

richard you are right, but soooo wrong. FMC did make AFVs durring WWII (you were right). but FMC has NOTHING to do with Ford.

FMC's Spirit of Invention *snip* - read the rest of FMC's history here [edited by moderator].

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by alleramilitaria
richard you are right, but soooo wrong. FMC did make AFVs durring WWII (you were right). but FMC has NOTHING to do with Ford.

Dave,

You miss read my messages.....when I said FMCo was definitly Ford Motor Company that is what I meant, because that is what is marked on carrier, etc. parts.

Very doubtful whether FMC had even the slightest input in to Ford products at the time. Only link I can think of is the FMC pea viners that used to operate in this part of England years ago, they had Ford diesels fitted.

Richard

[alleramilitaria]

ok then no worries
as a bradley guy i cant tell you how many times a new troop would be so happy to drive a vehicle that was made by the same company as the mustang.... not.



dave

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi All
Seeing as I requested this thread and Hanno created it, I had better subscribe. The next two posts relate to the Australian Jack and I took these during our Carrier restoration.

And the nuts and bolts of the jack.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Commonly known as the Shepherd's Crook. The bottom one is an original whilst the top one is one I had remanufactured out of Bisalloy (Bizalloy) however it is spelt. They were originally cast but you try finding a foundry these days that will atckle the task without charging a King's ransom.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

This was an interesting but logical innovation. It doesn't appear in any og the manuals but it certainly is a good addition.

[Euan McDonald]

Hey Salesman Bob,
Show us the jack handle.

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi Euan
I've been searching everywhere for my images of the jack handle but to date they have disappeared into the ether. I'll check the wire coat-hangers in the wardrobe as they capture everything.
Bob

[Lynn Eades]

It looks like this war dept jack is a copy of the one supplied with my Toyota Hilux?

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi all - more tools/stores. This one is designated

Lamps, inspection, portable, 6v with 12ft T.R.S. flex.

Bob

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Closed and extended positions
Bob

[Neil Ashley]

Below is a very lucky find I picked up at a recent auto-jumble.

Does any one have a picture of the correct jack handle or how it is secured on a Mk11* Carrier. Does it just sit lose in the box or is there a strap.

[Jordan Baker]

Here are three small manual that I have for the carrier. These were supposed to be kept on the driver at all times.

Inside the regulations 1943 one there were close up pictures of the tools.

[Jordan Baker]

Ok here are the tools that I have. If anyone has any extras I would be interested in them

Here is the trouble lamp. This plugs into a small plug on the dash panel. The cable then reaches to all points on the vehicle.

[Jordan Baker]

This is the foldable saw and all its little tools.

[Jordan Baker]

I also have this small tool roll that I picked up a few years ago. It may or may not be the correct one but it sure looks close.

[sapper740]

Originally posted by Jordan Baker
This is the foldable saw and all its little tools.

Jordan, are you aware of there being more than one style of flexible saw? I have what has been called correctly or not, an Engineer's saw. It is very similar to yours except for it requires two-2 piece handles and comes in a larger, rectangular leather pouch (see pics). The case is embossed ROBCO LTD MONTREAL 1943 on the outside and has C<- and 202 stamped on the inside. I've looked in David B. Gordon's excellent book, "Equipment of the WW II Tommy" and on pg. 171 it shows the same saw and pouch as you have. I wonder if you or anyone else reading this thread may know of the correct designation and issue of the saw I have?



CHIMO!

[rob love]

Originally posted by sapper740
Jordan, are you aware of there being more than one style of flexible saw? I have what has been called correctly or not, an Engineer's saw. It is very similar to yours except for it requires two-2 piece handles and comes in a larger, rectangular leather pouch (see pics). The case is embossed ROBCO LTD MONTREAL 1943 on the outside and has C<- and 202 stamped on the inside. I've looked in David B. Gordon's excellent book, "Equipment of the WW II Tommy" and on pg. 171 it shows the same saw and pouch as you have. I wonder if you or anyone else reading this thread may know of the correct designation and issue of the saw I have?

Your saw is appropriate as well. It was just a later version of the same saw. The examples I have had had the smaller pouch as earlier, and even WW1 dated, while the double wide ones were WW2.
These saws were still issued (the Robco WW2 dated ones) to the M113 APC pioneer dozers as late as the mid 90s. I did more than a bit of horsetrading trying to pry them all away from the guys, who were much more content to use chainsaws.

Heres a question I have always had about the tools. What were the three little 'U' shaped wedges for? I would guess that the tapered one was to open up the coil spring enough to get a full size wedge in, so that you could get the track jack into the spring to compress it. Does anyone know for certain?