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Hanno Spoelstra · #61 17-07-07, 15:53

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Originally posted by cletrac
How scarce are these 15 cwt Ford Cab 11s? I guess all Cab 11s are scarce but this one doesn't seem to generate near as much interest as the C15.
It just dawned on me that the number 1G 10495 F is a Ford engine serial number, but what month?
I also forgot to mention that it has Chev rear ends front and back.

David,

Thanks for sharing these interesting pictures with us!
Your mention re. the Chev axles made me remember the old debate about this earlier on this forum. In Australian CGT mystery I quoted Ford Illustrated Spare Parts List F15-A 15 cwt-4x4 (SE. 114, Issued May, 1943) which states that "Ford design front axle C111WQF-3000-A2 and G.M. design rear axle C011WQ-4000 were used with the following motor serial numbers", followed by a list of only 43 numbers, all in the 2G-5...-F and 2G-6...F range. I believe an example of this Ford front / Chev rear axle combination is shown below. It was restored in the UK; moved to Holland where it was later offered for sale (current location uncertain):

Yours must be of an earlier batch when both front and rear axles were supplied by GM. Several F15A´s survive with this axle combination, one is in the UK (The Ashby CMP Stables), others were found in Canada by Rob Love (e.g. F15A serial F10616).

Please keep us posted on the progress of your collection (which is building up at an amazing speed!), and let us know if there any details we can help you with.

Thanks,
Hanno

Bob Carriere · #62 18-07-07, 00:18

Nice find David....

What kind of front axle is it..... a regular CMP Chevy or the early HD cast GM axle with reinforced ribs...????......

Have you measured the lenght of the remaining platform/box...... anything close to 96 1/2 inches would be an original box base......

Just curious......

Bob

cletrac (RIP) · #63 18-07-07, 04:55

Bob, here's the rear end. You tell me which version it is. It looks about the same as in the C15.
The deck is definitely the base for a CMP box but I have no idea which one. I can't see any holes to bolt the sides on and the outside edges aren't near as thick as most. Then there are those short pieces of angle welded on but they might not be original but I see no use for them on the fire truck.
The deck is 79" long and 83" wide. In Military Vehicle Profiles the 2B1 is the only one this length but it's wooden conctruction.

Hanno Spoelstra · #64 18-07-07, 11:56

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Originally posted by cletrac
Bob, here's the rear end. You tell me which version it is. It looks about the same as in the C15.

From the Ford Illustrated Spare Parts List F15-A 15 cwt-4x4 (SE. 114, Issued May, 1943):

Quote:

Front axles:
*C111WQF-3000-B2: Axle - front assembly - complete. G.M. pressed steel design. With hubs, brakes, drums, spindle connecting rod and ends. 6.5- ratio. Has removable housing cover. When stock depleted supply front axle kit C111WQ-3014

Rear axles:
*C011WQ 4000: Axle-rear assembly with hubs, brakes and drums 6.5-1 ratio - G.M. pressed steel design can be identified as a one piece housing and removable housing cover. When stock depleted, supply Ford cast design axle kit C111WQ-4014[/FONT]

Bob Carriere · #65 20-07-07, 03:15

HI Dave

You got an early keeper.....!!! the front axle....does it have a bolted front cover or is it all one piece.....????

That example is worth saving just to show the unusual marriage of parts......

Bob

cletrac (RIP) · #66 20-07-07, 04:05

Bob, both rear ends have the bolted on covers. As for being a keeper, don't most Cab 11s fall into that category if they're fairly complete? I have most of the parts needed to complete this one too. I have a pristine frame off an early 13 cab that should work plus quite a few 11 cab parts too. Like I said before if I make a 2A1 box for the C15 it would be simple to double up on everything and have one for the F15A too. The last couple of days I've been on a quest for dash gauge sets from old farm trucks. I've come up with two Chev sets and one Ford set. I'll have to come up with several more, especially the Ford ones.
When I get the rest of the Cab 13s home I'll raid some for parts and see how many complete trucks I can come up with. If I keep one for myself there should be at least three basically complete units to sell or trade.
I started putting a few parts on it so I can see what I still need to watch out for.

Bob Carriere · #67 21-07-07, 00:54

DAve......

Get a close up of the front axle...... it looks like an early GM Heavy duty cast type..... with NO bolted front cover..... that would confirm the early Frod model when Frod axles where either non existant or in short supply.....see pic attached of a cab 11 early CGT.....

If you have time..... remove the cast hub cap of the front axle....remove the cotter pin...... go fishing in side the centre hole.... I would bet you a full 24 of cold beer that you will find the inside wall of the centre hole threaded.... then if you insert a thin long flat blade screw driver you will find the screw slot....

.... you then have an early R-Zeppa u-joint axle...... a real piece of fine watchmaking work..... all of which makes the whole assembly of the truck worthwhile.....

Youz a lucky man....

BooB

cletrac (RIP) · #68 01-08-07, 04:01

I tool a few pix of the cab 13s I got home. This one has FORD embossed under the headlights. It has the old dash, a square roof hatch, and no lifting flanges on the hubs. If the FORD script makes it a 1944 model, do these other features fit? The unit sign on the hood is the # 52 but I'm unsure what colour the background is. What outfit would this be? The door # is 67-852. Can anybody shed any light on these door numbers?
The drive train is all there but I never tried to turn the motor over yet. If I throw in a couple of seats, another mirror and some gas tanks, it'll be fairly complete. This is one of the ones I'll sell. I thought I'd keep this one, but the one with the grain box is better.

cletrac (RIP) · #69 01-08-07, 04:07

Here's another shot of it. Somebody took the U-bolts off the rear end so I had to use the chain and boomer to hold it in place to load the truck. It even has the sliding rear window in place.

6thairborne · #70 02-08-07, 04:58

so are you going to be selling any of these finds? I have enjoyed lurking and watching all of the recoveries.....

cheers

cletrac (RIP) · #71 02-08-07, 05:30

I'll be selling three pretty complete Cab 13 Fords and I'll keep one for myself. I'm also keeping the Cab 11s. I'll also dismantle three of the rougher Cab 13s and will sell parts. So if anybody is looking for a truck or parts, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
This one I'm undecided whether it's a restoration candidate or a parts truck. The frame's been lengthened and modified but I do have a good spare frame so that's why I'm undecided. This one's got unit # 55 on the hood

cletrac (RIP) · #72 02-08-07, 05:37

Here's another shot of the same truck. Like I said the frame has been modified but the cab's real solid. That's a Garwood winch mounted behind the cab. I'm going to put the winch on my trailer for loading stuff. The winch is driven by a PTO off the transmission and there's another tranny mounted under the chassis for a speed reducer. They must have wanted lots of winching power. I'll drive the winch with a hydraulic motor.

6thairborne · #73 02-08-07, 06:16

pm sent

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #74 02-08-07, 11:55

"Mr. Airborne", would you please be so kind as to give us your name? Here within the close, and closed, community which defines MLU, we consider it good form, good manners and a condition of membership. Continuing anonymity is contrary to all of this.

We trust you'll see to this immediately? Thank you.

THE MANAGEMENT

Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP) · #75 02-08-07, 23:15

Thank you, Tony, we are happy to make your acquaintance and welcome you to MLU as a fellow enthusiast!

Chuck Anderson · #76 03-08-07, 17:45

I'm new to this forum and have been reading all the posts regarding the CMPs. This is great! They're really interesting vehicles and I'm enjoying reading about them. It makes me want one too!

Keith Webb · #77 03-08-07, 21:30

Quote:

Originally posted by cletrac
I tool a few pix of the cab 13s I got home. This one has FORD embossed under the headlights. It has the old dash, a square roof hatch, and no lifting flanges on the hubs. If the FORD script makes it a 1944 model, do these other features fit?

All the features fit and the 'FORD' script makes it a 1943 model. The 1944/5 models had 'FORD CANADA'

Howard · #78 04-08-07, 04:09

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Originally posted by Chuck Anderson
I'm new to this forum and have been reading all the posts regarding the CMPs. This is great! They're really interesting vehicles and I'm enjoying reading about them. It makes me want one too!

Welcome Aboard, Chuck!
In my experience, this is the best forum on the web. The community of enthusiasts, although varied immensely in reasons for their passion for CMP's, (and locations throughout the world), is incredibly knowledgeable & helpful. Get yourself a truck & get into it!
Cheers
Howard

cletrac (RIP) · #79 18-09-07, 06:25

Today I found this 2B1 for the Cab 11 fire truck. That deck that's on the truck is the remains of a 2B1 so it's the proper replacement. The endgate is missing but shouldn't be too hard to make up. The box is in pretty good shape.

cletrac (RIP) · #80 18-09-07, 06:28

This is the manufacturer's data plate off the 2B1.

cletrac (RIP) · #81 28-09-07, 05:34

I finally got around to hauling that local F15A home today. The steering box is seized so turning when loading was a problem but we just used a front end loader and picked it up and set it on the trailer. When we got it home we used the old R John Deere to pull it off the trailer.

cletrac (RIP) · #82 29-09-07, 04:23

The serial number on the tranny of this cab 13 is 3G-7753-F so that makes it a fairly early 1942 model. (March or April?) When did the cab 13 production begin?
The tractor made loading a whole lot easier especially since the steering is seized with the wheels turned. When we towed it out of it's holes one rear wheel turned frontwards and the other turned backwards with the driveshaft not hooked up. When we got it on the trailer and started pushing it to the front, the rear end broke loose and both wheels turned the right way. This truck sat like this since the mid 1960s so a little corrosion set in even in our dry air. The rear tires look OK but the fronts are shot.
The guy that had it in the 60s put the motor in a little Cletrac crawler that's still in town. I'll have to check and see if it was the original engine and maybe talk the present owner out of it.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #83 29-09-07, 06:42

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When did the cab 13 production begin?

We have tackled this query before. The famous Dr Gregg photo of the # 12 and 13 Cab Fords at Windsor is on Clive's excellent factory photo disc, with no apparent date. However, whilst I have the Chevrolet sequential # start, I would guesstimate your Ford as being just about after thw switch-over from memory?

cletrac (RIP) · #84 30-09-07, 05:43

The serial number on the cab 13 fire truck (the first one in this thread) is 3G-44595-F so it must have been made later in 1942. On the Canadian Register database 3G-51651-F was made Feb 19, 1943 so mine must be Dec 42.

cletrac (RIP) · #85 27-03-08, 08:10

I was at Reynolds museum this morning and they had this Cab 11 F15A chassis listed as a Cab 13 Chev. They looked at the rear ends and assumed Chev. You can tell it's not a Cab 13 because the steering box bolts to the frame without that extra bracket on the frame.
It has the cast housing on the front rear end so is an early 1940. I noticed that the front shock absorbers are Ford and the rear are Chev, so I checked my fire truck when I got home. Guess what? They're Ford front and Chev rear. Is there a pattern here? The Reynolds FAT has the cast Chev front housing so I checked it but the rear shocks are missing but the fronts are Ford.
They donated the FAT to the government Reynolds museum across the road.
I checked out several 15 cwt boxes at the museum for various mounting holes in the floors but it looks like they were all GS boxes so no holes. Too bad I didn't think to check for holes last year when there were so many more boxes there.

Rod Diery · #86 27-03-08, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Snowtractor

but in South and western Saskatchewan and sountern Alberta you can watch your dog run away for two weeks.

Yeah I got a dog like that too!!!!!!!

Bob Carriere · #87 27-03-08, 23:56

The first one..... those shock link rods are an early design....sometimes found on early cab 13.....

...but the last picture...... that beautiful dot & dash floor plate is definitely early cab 11 or 12..... Mike in Kars as an early CGT cab 11 with the same axle BUT with Chev shocks..... never seen the mix of Ford shocks with Chev axle....

In the back cemetery we have a 42 Ford with a Chev/GM cast front axle and we had an early cab 13 we took apart that had the complex rear shock linkages like the ones you are showing and the GM/Chev cast front axle........ on these early cast axles I would expect to find the early RZeppa U Joint inside the eggcup. Fairly easy to check without total disassembly...... remove the cast hub cap and examine the centre of the protruding axle shaft..... if it has a center hole that is threaded.... you have a RZeppa axle.....

Here are similar pictures....assembly pattern...??? of a FGT owned by Stanley Walker....Ford with GM/Chev cast axle and funny Ford friction shocks...

And look at the early cab 11 CGT at Kars and it has the GM/Chev axle with Chev cab 11 small shocks.....and a strange cast rear axle.....

Bob

Too bad all this stuff is so far from Ottawa....

Bob

Bob Carriere · #88 28-03-08, 00:03

1942 Ford cab 13 with early cast GM/Chev front axle with Ford friction shocks.......

Don't have any rear end picture of the 42 Ford and can't remember what axle is at the rear.....

Maybe Rob can remember...?

Bob

cletrac (RIP) · #89 01-04-08, 03:40

I was out in Alberta on the weekend and came up with this Cab 12 F15a. It'll likely be in May before I can go to pick it up. I think it'll become a donor truck for my Cab 11.

Bob Carriere · #90 02-04-08, 01:31

You are going to drag the Dodge home ......aren't you......???

Bob