Looking for Canadian M151A2 Pictures....

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here's an example (click on the picture for a large size image):



As Rob pointed out, this must be an example of the 3-colour camouflage pattern being distorted in the chain of command to a 2-colour cam job. Anyway, it gives you a good idea of the M151A2 in Canadian service and is copied here form Verlinden's book as a soure of inspiration. I have looked high and low, but I could not find other pics of M151A2's in Canadian service than those shown here (or in the links).

Hanno
I see three colors in the cam job shown in your illustration. The olive drab is on the front cowl as it should be, and the forest green is at the rear half of the driver's opening. Text book cam job (on the side anyway).

[Ed Storey]

Here is an image of an M151A2 leading the division roll-past during Exercise RV81.

[Scott Bentley]

Thanks again Ed.. Much appreciated. Any relation to Ralph?

Rob, I was reading some of your older posts about the paint colors. Were you able to find a source in Canada at a reasonable price? I see Willys Acres sells paint, and is willing to bring in other codes other than the WWII stuff. Anyone ever bought those paint codes from him?

[rob love]

Scotty
For the black I spray on tremclad flat back reduced with paint thinner. For the olive drab I have been using one of the shades from Rapco, which sells the Gillespie brand of paint. I think it was 33070 I was using, but I would have to confirm this. The paint chart on this site: http://hedgehoghollow.com/buzz/Colou.../army_clr.html gives 34082 as the closest but poor match. I think the 34052 would come close to a substitute for the flat green colour, although the cross ref chart gives 34079 as a direct replacement.
I order my paint from RAPCO (4 gallons at a time) and have it delivered to a border shipping service. It is about an hours drive to go pick it up, but when you consider that by the time I get the paint home I only have about $45 into each gallon, the extra time is worth it. Rapco's paint is also fresh. I bought some paint from a source in Winnipeg only to find that it was about 5 years old and had possibly been frozen.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by rob love

I see three colors in the cam job shown in your illustration. The olive drab is on the front cowl as it should be, and the forest green is at the rear half of the driver's opening. Text book cam job (on the side anyway).

Rob,

Thanks for pointing this out! Shows how easy it is to mistake a 3-colour for a 2-colour camouflage job.

Had a close look at the cam pattern for the Cdn 1/4 ton vehicles. From this I deduct left and right sides were supposed to have the same pattern, right?

Thanks,
Hanno

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Rob,

Thanks for pointing this out! Shows how easy it is to mistake a 3-colour for a 2-colour camouflage job.

Had a close look at the cam pattern for the Cdn 1/4 ton vehicles. From this I deduct left and right sides were supposed to have the same pattern, right?

Thanks,
Hanno

Left and right were indeed mirror images of each other.

[mike mckinley]

here are a few pics of an ex cdn a2 that was on ebay a few years ago. the one with the trailer attached was for sale locally for way too much quid. it was fairly rust free and sported the paint job it left gagetown with.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Thanks for pointing this out! Shows how easy it is to mistake a 3-colour for a 2-colour camouflage job.

I will admit, after alot of weathering the two Greens do seem to fade to the point where it is hard to distinguish the two.

Any input on the Crown Spray? I suppose I could have Ziebart Re-applied after the resto.

[rob love]

They started to do the Crown Spray on the military trucks just before I got out of the military. It did not seem to me to be much different than the spraying of used motor oil in Ontario decades back.

You can buy a oil spray gun from princess auto for around $20. Spray the under chassis of the mutt with 30 weight and you should be good. You can even pull some of those ziebart plugs in the frame channels and spray oil into there.

There was a patch of rust on my current M38A1 at the front right pillar and at the bottom edge of the right side from water in the tool box. I sprayed both these areas with motor oil and it stopped any further deterioration dead. I am just finishing up the restoration of an old 5/4 ton, and plan on spraying the underneath of the cargo box with 30 weight as well. I don't really have to do under the cab so much....being a chevy it has the auto oiler (350 V8 and the turbo 350 tranny) looking after that floor.


A wise body man once told me that anytime you go into a door to work on things like door handles or window mechanisms, you throw an oil soaked rag into the bottom of the door. Anytime you are back in their, you re-soak it. A little oil goes a long way, and is relatively cheap.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Rob,

Thanks for pointing this out! Shows how easy it is to mistake a 3-colour for a 2-colour camouflage job.

Had a close look at the cam pattern for the Cdn 1/4 ton vehicles. From this I deduct left and right sides were supposed to have the same pattern, right?

Thanks,
Hanno

Here are a couple snaps of my Cdn3 I took today. This is my daily driver for when I go to get the mail, and often, if I am bored, it will take a ride through the local forest. As such, the body is not pristine. I also dropped a tree across the hood last year while cutting firewood, and I have not got around to sandblasting and painting the replacement hood yet.

This Jeep has had the typical light armoured recce modifications to it. These include the wire cutter bar on the front bumper, and the GPMG mount on the right side. It also has the IKEE (Installation kit, electrical equipment) for the 524 set). The "support our troops cadpat magnet on the left corner is not an official marking. The bent fenders, while not an official light recce modification, were pretty much standard on all the recce jeeps after 15 years of hard service.

Anyway, this is the textbook 3 colour "by the book" Cdn cam job.

[Scott Bentley]

Thanks for the snaps Rob,

Although its an M38A1, like you said before, its still the correct 1/4 Ton cam pattern.

I've decieded that pattern will be my end state in paint.

Well, I finally got a hold on the Red Deer A2. After flushing the fuel system and doing a few checks we got it fired up. It runs quite well right off the bat, but it looks like i'm going to need to buy a Timing Light/Tech Dwell Meter as both the Carb and Distributer are recent NOS installs and havn't had any fine adjustments done yet.

Rob, you wouldn't happen to have a line on another AMU Mounting Bracket like you have on the rear left corner of your M38A1? This 74 has all of the holes and wear marks from one that was removed when it was demiliterized, and i'd love to get another one.

Actually, while i'm at it, if anyone has any lines on an RT524 with Tray, or a PRC77 Set and a 2060 Tray, i'd be very interest in them. I'd like to try and get a Radio installed with the Restoration.

Scotty B

[rob love]

Scotty
There are still a few of the corner brackets left out in the local military scrapyard. I'll try and remember to grab one next time I am out that way.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

Scotty
There are still a few of the corner brackets left out in the local military scrapyard. I'll try and remember to grab one next time I am out that way.

Haha... You da man Rob.

I was surprised that it had one originally as from what I understood, the AMU's were attached to the ROPs. There is no mistaking the 6 holes on the left corner.

If theres anything you need that I might have "access" to, let me know.

Scotty

[rob love]

Originally Posted by armybuck041

Haha... You da man Rob.

You done know it homey!


The roll cages were not installed until a few years after the M151A2s were in service. As a result, they may well have the holes from the corner mount or from the mount over the spare tire carrier. Of the 30 M151A2s I bought, a few had the over the tire mount, but only 1 or 2 had the corner mount, and it may well have been left over from the pre-rollcage days. The problem with an AMU or an ATU on the corner mount was that the antenna would get broken against the rollcage if the antenna was bent or whipped forward. If you are going with the rollcage, then I would suggest you don't bother with the corner mount.