M38a1Cdn2, M38A1Cdn3 and M151A2 CFR range

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Eric B

My M151 A2 is CFR 74-09235, sn 44004 uncut

It was used in Calgary 1974- 1985 1 CMBG HQ Sigs Sqn & CFB Calgary
1985 CFB Suffield
1985-1987 CFB Petawawa
It still retains its original three patter camouflage.

Eric

Probably the nicest platform in this half of the country too... (I hope my jealously doesn't show)

Scotty

[david moore]

Rob
My buddy Tom Lodge has an M38A1CDN3 for which he would like to know the correct hood number - if you still have time to research it.
The details he has are:
NATO Stock no. 2320 21-856-9412
Ordnance stock no 121301
Mfr No MD 99994 Del 12-70 Jeep Corp Toledo
Contract No 2MEO 0058
Engine No D143273

The current restored hood no is 70-99994 but this must be wrong? Should it have been 70-08994?

Could you also give further details of the book by Iarocci - where it can be obtained.

Thanks
David Moore
Kingston

[maple_leaf_eh]

Andrew's book on the Canadian Jeep is sold by Servicepub. It is on epay regularly, and I bought my copy at HobbyHouse on Montreal Rd in Ottawa. It does not break down CFR numbers, or 'hood' numbers as you ask.

To find out more, do a $5 Access to Information Request to Department of National Defence. I knew the CFR for my M38A1 CDN3 (70-08876), and some vehicle history thanks to a sympathetic civilian employee at Base Transport in Ottawa. For confirmation, I requested VMO information and maintenance records. The second was a long shot, and not available.

My request asked for "Copies of VMO messages for: CFR 70-08876 (Truck 1/4 Ton SMP M38A1 CDN3) Serial number 100xxx, ECC 121301, ERN 30104, previously held by UIC -124 CFB Tonton; acquired 01 Jan 1970, disposed 22 Oct 87, HN 22 Aug 88."

In due time a copy of a message form arrived giving my Jeep's last official ties to the CF. There were 7 older and 21 newer Jeeps sold on that message in May '87. A 1967 pattern Jeep would be ECC121201; a 1970 is ECC 121301.

Here is a little teaser for you, if the CFR is 08994, then the year will be 1971 not 1970. A vehicle 71-08993 was listed on the same VMO as mine.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by david moore

Rob
My buddy Tom Lodge has an M38A1CDN3 for which he would like to know the correct hood number - if you still have time to research it.
The details he has are:
NATO Stock no. 2320 21-856-9412
Ordnance stock no 121301
Mfr No MD 99994 Del 12-70 Jeep Corp Toledo
Contract No 2MEO 0058
Engine No D143273

The current restored hood no is 70-99994 but this must be wrong? Should it have been 70-08994?

Could you also give further details of the book by Iarocci - where it can be obtained.

Thanks
David Moore
Kingston

I have access to the same means as Rob for pulling the CFR info. If Rob isn't able to answer shortly (he's pretty busy these days), i'll pull it up next time i'm at work.

Scotty B

[david moore]

Thanks, Scotty. Appreciate your help.

David M

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by david moore

Rob
My buddy Tom Lodge has an M38A1CDN3 for which he would like to know the correct hood number - if you still have time to research it.
The details he has are:
NATO Stock no. 2320 21-856-9412
Ordnance stock no 121301
Mfr No MD 99994 Del 12-70 Jeep Corp Toledo
Contract No 2MEO 0058
Engine No D143273

The current restored hood no is 70-99994 but this must be wrong? Should it have been 70-08994?

Could you also give further details of the book by Iarocci - where it can be obtained.

Thanks
David Moore
Kingston

Mfr No MD 99994 = CFR 70-08652
The ECC is the standard 121301 = TRUCK,UTILITY,1/4 TON,4X4,M38A1CDN3
The other records indicate that it was disposed at CFB Petawawa on 17 Nov 1986 = DISPOSAL THROUGH VEHICLE FLEET REMARKETING SERVICES.

Just a side note. As Rob had noted somewhere on MLU, when it comes to M151A2 and the M38A1CDN3 (maybe others too), the Mfg Ser Numbers and the CFR that they were issued have no alignment whatsoever. An example is that the Serial Number right before his has 66 other CFRs separating the two.
Mfr No MD 99993 = CFR 70-08718

Enjoy

Scotty

[david moore]

Many thanks for the info, Scotty, I'll pass it on to the owner.
David

[rob love]

Between some 12 hour days and the internet being down in the tent for most of the week, I seem to have missed out on the conversation here. One thing I might add to the "Cdn 3 hood number" query, is that hood numbers were more of an American thing, and while they did occasionally end up on the hood with the older Cdn 50s Jeeps, it was very in-frequent that they would be found there on a Cdn2 or a Cdn3. The "as issued" location was beneath the doors, and later not at all once the vehicles got their camoflauge brushed on.

Clive has, I believe, requested the complete CFR/Serial number data for all the Jeep fleets. Currently, the site we use to draw up the CFR/Serial can only be queried by the CFR. Hopefully, once Clive has the data, he will host it on a page somewhere showing both, or else list the data by serial to CFR, and CFR to serial.

[servicepub (RIP)]

Just heard from home and it appears that DND came through with a CD. I have no idea of the scope of the response but I had asked for a list of all reently-released vehicles by serial number and their corresponding CFR numbers. My daughter is going to pack this up and mail to me so that I will have something to do in the evenings.

[rob love]

Well that ahould be $5 well spent Clive. How far back was "recent"? You may well have all the Iltis, 5/4 ton, and the various trailer data as well, including the bulk of the Cdn M100 1/4 ton trailers.