LP2A found and recovered

[Tony Smith]

Sorry, I must have misunderstood that you had found some connections with UK T nos and AIF T nos.

Originally Posted by Roddy1011

I was very interested to see you say that Rego Books 1 to 4 were solely AIF Nos. What is the no. span therefore ?

The AWM files are:
AWM 126~01 vol: AIF '1 ~~ 6112' pre WW1, WW1, post WW1, WW2.
AWM 126~02 vol: AIF '6113 ~~ 12325' WW2.
AWM 126~03 vol: AIF '12326 ~~ 18867' WW2.
AWM 126~04 vol: AIF '18868 ~~ 25974' WW2.
AWM 126~05 vol: '00001 ~~ 13807' 1917~1960
AWM 126~06 vol: '13808 ~~ 20076' 1938~1954
AWM 126~07 vol: '20077 ~~ 26346' 1938~1960
AWM 126~08 vol: '26347 ~~ 32616' 1938~1962
AWM 126~09 vol: '32617 ~~ 40471' 1938~1948
AWM 126~10 vol: '40472 ~~ 48358' 1942~1964
AWM 126~11 vol: '48359 ~~ 59264' 1942~1977
AWM 126~12 vol: '59265 ~~ 66912' 1942~1969
AWM 126~13 vol: '66913 ~~ 74560' 1943~1973
AWM 126~14 vol: '74561 ~~ 82208' 1942~1978
AWM 126~15 vol: '82209 ~~ 89842' 1942~1974
AWM 126~16 vol: '89843 ~~ 97415' 1944~1982
AWM 126~17 vol: '97416 ~~ 105866' 1938~1990
AWM 126~18 vol: '105-867 ~~ 114-437' 1938~1992
AWM 126~19 vol: '114-438 ~~ 122-646' 1926~1989
AWM 126~20 vol: '122-647 ~~ 132-320' 1938~1983
AWM 126~21 vol: '132-321 ~~ 140-600' 1942~1990
AWM 126~22 vol: '140-601 ~~ 150-896' 1942~1990
AWM 126~23 vol: '150-897 ~~ 159-509' 1942~1993
AWM 126~24 vol: '159-510 ~~ 168-121' 1941~1980
AWM 126~25 vol: '168-122 ~~ 177-970' 1945~1990
AWM 126~26 vol: '177-971 ~~ 187-538' 1945~1990
AWM 126~27 vol: Various Misc~~ 1954~1966 Armour, Aircraft, Landing craft, Plant, etc.

Many of the early AIF numbers in Ledger 01 were for Horsedrawn vehicles of the 1st AIF (and therefore do not have the WD vehicle classes), but some numbers were re-allocated for mechanised vehicles in WW2. Also, many of the low numbers recorded in Ledger 05 are the early system of Department of Defence "DD^" numbers and were replaced by the "Cxxxx" system, which in turn became ARNs. The books do not specify at what date these changes came into effect. There is also no information regarding which units that vehicles were issued to, but there is occaisional disposal information which records a unit, which more often than not is a Base Ordnance Depot or Supply Battalion.

Light Horse Regiments were Militia units and not part of the AIF, although some re-equipped and retrained as MMG Bn's, Armoured or Mechanised Cavalry units, with some transferring to the AIF.

It is clear that just about every book was running concurrently with other books, and that numbers were not issued consecutively.

[Roddy de Normann]

Tony -

Many thanks for posting the Rego vol details...

Following up from an earlier question, would an issued AIF become a C-Number if the veh was to join an AMF unit ? If so, I presume that AIF units would use AIFT-numbers while the AMF units would have used C-Numbers both at the same time ? On veh re-allocation the AIF-T would have/could have changed to a C-Number and the original AIFT used on something else ? Certainly this is how I interpret Michael Cecil's description of it.

For instance, I have logged:

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AIF T-1860 (Hull No: 71)

Carrier MG (Aust) LP1

1st (Australian) Armoured Regiment & 4th (Australian) Light Horse

Veh Engine No: R3640F

- 8 Feb 42 - Veh transfered fm 1 AAR to 4 LH on reorg of 2 Cav Div to 2 Mot Div - 1 AAR War Diary, AWM52-1-5-39-001

- 18 Jun 42 - VRN changed to Hull No Type by Victoria LoC Area instr - AWM Rego Book, AIF 261/12 via Shane Lovell Archive

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This veh changed hands before the Hull Numbering came in although the latter was noted and thus likely to have changed when ordered to do so. Would this veh have first sported AIF T-1860 and then changed to an AMF C-Number ?

What I would love to do is note down all the Rego material and have a really good trawl through the war diaries to attempt to work some of this out ! Do you know of anyone who has gone through the Dept of Interior files looking for C-Number info ?

Roddy

[Tony Smith]

Vehicles INTENDED for the AIF were issued AIF numbers, while vehicles INTENDED for local service were not. There are many instances where Militia units possessed AIF reg vehicles, and vice versa. The reg was not changed each time a vehicle undertook an inter-unit transfer.

Progressively from Dec '41 ALL AIF registration numbers were cancelled and moved to the C system. As you could imagine, this would take some time and was still happening a year later. Once the vehicle was taken off the AIF system, the number was not re-allocated.

[phoenix]

interesting that the later ARN books are always missed from those lists, but I suppose that is because they are not at the AWM.

[Euan McDonald]

I was wondering if Justin has an update on this carrier project.

[Justin Pollard]

Hello Euan,

Not much being happening on the hull, but a lot of components are now overhauled and awaiting fitment.
Gathering a lot of parts for it.
hopefully will be getting back into it by August.

Regards
Justin.

[Justin Pollard]

Hello All,

I'm thinking of selling my carrier project as I just don't seem to be able to find time to do it. It has a engine and gearbox, rear diff, a complete set of track, mix of NOS and very good, steering cam and side rollers all overhauled, fully overhauled instrument panel, full set of wheels and bogies, engine cover, NOS flare box, some of the rear bins and lots more, Asking $9000
Please PM me for further details but only if you think your serious!.

Regards
Justin.