1944 Universal Carrier Wheels - Ford Canada

[listerdiesel]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Alternatively, you could ask the UK carrier owner to find you some carrier wheels with perished/damaged rubber, those are more plentiful than ones with good rubber you seem to have.

Hi Hanno:

I think the big issue with his own wheels was that the rims themselves were badly corroded, possibly through standing in water, so not much use at all, although they could be used as the basis for some new castings, as a pattern perhaps.

Regards,

Peter

[kevin powles]

Hi, Many thanks for the wheels and delivering them. on closer inspection I believe these wheels are Windsor Carrier wheels, slightly wider rims and rubber, I think they would fit the universal carrier if the rims were machined down, Can any one confirm if the bearing assembly is the same?.

If anyone needs some Windsor wheels to trade for universal wheels please let me know. I think they would be O.K. for spare wheels to mount on the carrier, but I dont want to machine them is sombody is looking for a set of four Windsor wheels. They all need re-rubbering.

Thanks Kevin.

[listerdiesel]

Hi Kevin:

Glad they got to you OK, I didn't know that Philip (our youngest son) was going to Suffolk tonight, my wife mentioned it to me while I was talking to you on the phone. Worked out really well for us all.

I'll keep an eye open for anything similar in future!

Peter

[listerdiesel]

We have got another set of these wheels, this time from an ebay seller down near Bristol, the auction was pointed out to me by one of the guys on our own forum.

They are British, cast 'JM 1941' and the tyres are "Avon 1944", bearings are Ransome & Marles 4HJT40.

Tyres are better than the ones Kevin had from us, but the bearings are so much scrap. One wheel must be an idler as it has bronze bearings instead of thrust ball bearings.

We intend to use these, but can offer the seal retainers and bearing spacers for free to anyone who wants them, collect or pay carriage.

The bronze bearings have got four tapped holes in the face, are these for an extractor or do you screw setscrews in them and push the bearings out?

Also, on another thread, the bearing 6204 is mentioned for carrier wheels, but these are tiddly compared with these that I have here, is that a mistake? is there a modern compatible bearing?

Peter

[shaun]

Hi Pete,
Are you parting with these wheels, if you are i would be interested. Drop me a line on shaun.hindle@btinternet.com.
TTFN
Shaun

[listerdiesel]

Hi Shaun:

Not at present, we need to get our trolley finished for the show in Nuenen at the end of May, and if we keep on selling these wheels we'll never get the thing finished.

If you had something similar that you could not use, we would look at them as a possible swap.

Peter

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

Originally Posted by listerdiesel

We have got another set of these wheels, this time from an ebay seller down near Bristol, the auction was pointed out to me by one of the guys on our own forum.

They are British, cast 'JM 1941' and the tyres are "Avon 1944", bearings are Ransome & Marles 4HJT40.

Tyres are better than the ones Kevin had from us, but the bearings are so much scrap. One wheel must be an idler as it has bronze bearings instead of thrust ball bearings.

We intend to use these, but can offer the seal retainers and bearing spacers for free to anyone who wants them, collect or pay carriage.

The bronze bearings have got four tapped holes in the face, are these for an extractor or do you screw setscrews in them and push the bearings out?

Also, on another thread, the bearing 6204 is mentioned for carrier wheels, but these are tiddly compared with these that I have here, is that a mistake? is there a modern compatible bearing?

Peter

Hello Peter, you are right, the number should be 6408 , your bearing are the same as I found in my wheels, they are a bit ofset, to let my sealings run free I needed some shimms, take good care to the bushings between the bearings, they were the major problem to me, you need them when you change from plain bearings to roller bearings and I had more plain than rollers.

Hendrik van Oorspronk

[listerdiesel]

Originally Posted by Hendrik van Oorspronk

Hello Peter, you are right, the number should be 6408 , your bearing are the same as I found in my wheels, they are a bit ofset, to let my sealings run free I needed some shimms, take good care to the bushings between the bearings, they were the major problem to me, you need them when you change from plain bearings to roller bearings and I had more plain than rollers.

Hendrik van Oorspronk

Thanks for confirming that number, Hendrik, might be worth going back to the original thread and updating that part number for the other guys. The original bearings are one-way thrust types, presumably with a pre-load when assembled. The 6408 is a standard deep-groove bearing, which for what most Carrier owners use them for, will be fine. My originals have 'THRUST' marked on one side and the bearing centre can be taken out quite easily from one side.

The 6310 bearing has a 50mm centre ID, but is 1/8 the price of the 6408, so we will probably get a set of those for the price of one 6408 and make new stub axles (which we have to do anyway) for the trolley. See ebay #320249498440

Are you saying that the basic wheel is the same, and that you can swap plain and ball bearings between them?

Peter

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

Originally Posted by listerdiesel

Are you saying that the basic wheel is the same, and that you can swap plain and ball bearings between them?

Yes, the basic wheel is the same, even the seailings are the same, to convert it to the ball bearings you just need the bearings and the spacer.

Hendrik

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by listerdiesel

We have got another set of these wheels, ....
They are British, cast 'JM 1941'.

Peter

Also seen in Aust:

[listerdiesel]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Also seen in Aust:

Hi Tony:

I don't know who 'JM' was, but would be interested to know if anyone has the ID.

Looks like we will be swapping this new set with the four originals that Kevin had from us, as he couldn't get the Windsor wheels into his suspension arms.

Peter

[listerdiesel]

Originally Posted by listerdiesel

I don't know who 'JM' was, but would be interested to know if anyone has the ID.

Could this have been Jowett Motors ??

Peter