M38a1Cdn2, M38A1Cdn3 and M151A2 CFR range

[rob love]

Only a week or so for me. Contract end dates seem to be somewhat ambiguous with the company I am with, but a couple days on the end won't make or break me.

I would be in for one of those copies when you get a chance. A national database of the SMPs for Canada is certainly a collectors must have. Now if they only had such records in WW2, imagine all the happy guys on this board.

[super dave]

I would be very interested in a copy as well

[Retsarge]

Hi,
I'm new to this forum, my first post, so please bear with me. I too own a M38A1Cdn2.
Here are the specs on it: M38A1Cdn2, Serial number: 7105 96879, CFR 67-07832. I have owned this jeep since November 2005. It was in poor shape when I got it, but it has been rebuilt about 85-90%. I do have some questions.... I would love to know what military unit it was assigned to? Did it ever make it to cyprus like many other jeeps did? Also the engine block heater, on the front top,of the engine head got broke when working on the engine. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement?
Thanks Richard

[rob love]

Hi Richard
I no longer have access to the database, so one of the other guys will have to look it up for you. The best they will find for info is the releasing base before it was sold. Between that and any tac signs on the vehicle, it should be possible to figure out what unit had it.

Odds are it was not in Cypress. Is there any sign of it having been painted completely white at one time?

When I was in Cypress many years back, there was still evidence of the M38A1s which served there: they had been cut up several times until there was nothing useable left on them. The turks were still using Willys at the time, and I guess we did not want to appear to be favoring one side by providing a source of parts to them.

There were no block heaters on the Jeeps. Is the block heater you are talking about one of those types which went in place of a head bolt? Or are you talking about the tap that allows coolant to the heater. My personal preference for a block heater in the Willys has always been the type you spliced into the lower rad hose.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

There were no block heaters on the Jeeps. Or are you talking about the tap that allows coolant to the heater. My personal preference for a block heater in the Willys has always been the type you spliced into the lower rad hose.

Hi Rob,

I have one of the spliced Heater Hose Units on my M151A2. What are the chances that it was installed while it was in service? It looks like it is as old as the MUTT.

Scotty

[Retsarge]

Rob,
The block heater that I'm refering to is one of the ones that screws down into the top of the engine through a headbolt hole. I had to replace the headgasket and all 4 valves. The engine block heater broke as we were trying to unscrew it. but the rest of it came out when we pulled the head off. If the block heater was original to the vehicle as put on by the canadian army, then I want to put another on it.
My vehicle compartment heater, which is the type used on a 2 1/2 ton army truck, still works great. I have a brand new,still in the box, spare compartment heater system, a gift from my local army national guard unit, they have been a great help to me.
Hopefully some will have info on my jeeps military service history.
Richard
1967 M38A1Cdn2
7105 96879
67-07832

[rob love]

There was never an authorized modification to install block heaters in any of the Jeeps. While it is possible that some military unit may have installed it, the likelihood is that the heaters were put on post-military. Most units did not have plug ins for the military trucks, and you could hardly plug a vehicle in while out in the field. Quite frankly, it would rarely get cold enough in Ontario or Alberta to need to plug in the 24 volt jeeps. They would start without a problem down to about -20. Here in Manitoba, that is a different story. Yet even here, block heaters were rarely installed in the old Jeeps. We did install frost shields on the windows though, although more so on the old 3/4 tons and duece and a halfs.

The installation of the hot water style pers heaters on the M151A2s were even an afterthought. They were originally delivered without.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

There was never an authorized modification to install block heaters in any of the Jeeps. While it is possible that some military unit may have installed it, the likelihood is that the heaters were put on post-military. Most units did not have plug ins for the military trucks, and you could hardly plug a vehicle in while out in the field. Quite frankly, it would rarely get cold enough in Ontario or Alberta to need to plug in the 24 volt jeeps. They would start without a problem down to about -20. Here in Manitoba, that is a different story. Yet even here, block heaters were rarely installed in the old Jeeps. We did install frost shields on the windows though, although more so on the old 3/4 tons and duece and a halfs.

The installation of the hot water style pers heaters on the M151A2s were even an afterthought. They were originally delivered without.

I'll take a picture when I get a chance. What your saying makes sense.

Thanks

Scotty

[Craig S.]

In response to Retsarge's post #27, CFR#07832 started out at CFB Wainwright (as a CFB Edmonton detachment asset) until 23 June 1981 when it was VMO'd to CFB Petawawa for a short time. 09 June 1982 it left for CFB London until 30 March 1984, where it then went to CFB Valcartier until disposal 04 August 1987. Listed sale price is $1184.00 on 02 Sept 1987. The work order history (for what is recorded) states all maintenance was under a base maintenance facility, so I would guess that it never wore a completely white paint scheme. Hope this gives you a bit more history on your Jeep. Cheers.

[Retsarge]

Craig,
Thank you so very much for the history info of my jeep. If you could do me 1 more favor. I think that CFB stands for Canadian Forces Base..But where is Wainwright, Petawawa, and Valcartier? What does VMO stand for? Please excuse me..Im not up on Canadian bases or military terms...I retired from the US military.. the only Canadian base I ever went to was in Goose Bay, Lab in the middle of feburary. Thanks Richard

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Craig S.

In response to Retsarge's post #27, CFR#07832 started out at CFB Wainwright (as a CFB Edmonton detachment asset) until 23 June 1981 when it was VMO'd to CFB Petawawa for a short time. 09 June 1982 it left for CFB London until 30 March 1984, where it then went to CFB Valcartier until disposal 04 August 1987. Listed sale price is $1184.00 on 02 Sept 1987. The work order history (for what is recorded) states all maintenance was under a base maintenance facility, so I would guess that it never wore a completely white paint scheme. Hope this gives you a bit more history on your Jeep. Cheers.

Where are you getting this detail? I did an Access request for my M38A1 CDN 3 70-08876 and got very little except some Toronto dates.

[Craig S.]

maple_leaf_eh -

I have access to the same records I believe some others on this site have or had access to. I'm a Veh Tech by trade and it is a database that contains info on CFR'd equipment. Surprisingly I looked up my 1952 M-37's serial number and it wasn't available, but others were still listed after all these years. Hit and miss I guess, but it was enough to make me root for more of what was available in regards to other historical records. It's something that gives the new owner a little extra information in regards to their ex-military vehicle. Could also be useful in vehicles that are soon to be auctioned off. So when my new to me LAV3 comes up, I'll check on it's maintenance records to see which of the lot are better than others .
So on Willys M38A1CDN3, Serial No. 100002, this is what I could find:
CFR was 08876
Acquired date was 01 Jan 1970 (they all are the same date for that contract it seems)
Original unit it was issued to was at CFB Toronto, but it is now listed as dormant(UIC 0124)
The only Work Orders listed are from 28 Mar 1977 to 14 Apr 1983
Up until 30 Sept 1978 it seems the work was done by Base Maint CFB Toronto, of which the vehicle was an asset.
Then until 14 Apr 1983 the work was done by maybe the same section but the Jeep was now an asset of The Queens York Rangers, 1st American Regiment RCAC.
Listed are a total of 42 Corrective Vists, or it was in the shop for various faults/preventative maint. 42 times (officially)
As of 14 April 1983 the odometer had 64736 miles on it.
VMO No. DP350151 06 May 1987 to CFB Toronto for disposal.
Last holding notice of 22 August 1988, but the disposal date is listed as 22 Oct 1987 and that the sale price was $829.00. Perhaps there was a paperwork error in the dates?

Cheers

[Craig S.]

Retsarge -

Yes, you are correct on the CFB definition. CFB Wainwright is east of Edmonton in eastern Alberta. CFB Petawawa is north-west of Canada's capitol, Ottawa in Ontario. CFB Valcartier is slightly west of Quebec City in well, Quebec. A "VMO" is a vehicle movement order, which is what happens when a vehicle is to be assigned from one unit to another. Cheers.

[George McKenzie]

My friend just bought a M38A1 1952. The brass plates are all there but the paint has been changed . Also the frenders are civilian ?? I just bought a M38 1952 that sat for 40 years just 10 miles north of me I just found out about it .It is 100% complete except the front bumper has had a electric winch put on it .Has all the army markings on it .Shows 2300 miles on it .I will post a picture of it . These two jeeps are CDN models .

[mcafee]

Hi Rob. Wondered what you could tell me about my '67 M38A1 CDN2, Serial # 97746