Over heated Ford (Mercury) Engine on my F8

[cantankrs]

Originally Posted by cletrac

The first thing I'd do is ditch the thermostats. That's an old wives tale about needing them. Those pumps aren't that efficient that you need to slow the water down.

Hi David, I only have experience with a 70's OHV V8 down here in warm WA, and people had told me to ditch the thermostat but I discovered that on a really hot day having no thermostat just seemed to heat the water in the radiator faster until the whole cooling system was way hot. Having a thermostat in it allows the radiator contents to cool a bit more before its demanded. Presumably my situation came about because the water pump was fairly efficient - which perhaps is a vital condition in your statement.

Also with these old vehicles on a stinking hot day you can't even keep the motor running sitting in a drive-thru at McDonalds or wherever without the temp creeping up and up.

Remember that Henry Ford's SV V8 has the exhaust ports running across the block between the cylinders. This contributes to a hot motor thru its design. A clean radiator and functional waterpumps would seem necessary.

Also who's paid good money to have their radiator 'professionally cleaned' only to find it still has blocked cores cos they did it ultrasonically instead of removing the bottom tank and rodding it out like it needed? You only find out after things have gotten hot again! That nice fresh black paint ain't a certification!

Phil, from the same vehicle I can confirm that thermostats certainly can't be trusted from new because I then had to play with a string of thermostats that were opening later than their rated temps. In my situation I settled for a 160 thermostat that tested OK and seemed to resolve the issue with that type of motor.

Regards

Alex
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M3 Grant, Val, Ferrets, WM20, CMP's

[Mike K]

the idea of having thermostats is to create a temperature difference between the engine block and the radiator ... this temp. difference siphons the coolant around .. hot water rises, like in a home hot water system ... If you remove the thermostats, the whole system is almost at the same temp., and you lose the thermo-syphon effect . Many veteran cars have no water pump at all ...they soley rely on the thermo-syphon thing to circulate the coolant around.

Those SV Ford lumps are HOT motors ,it's a design thing ,the exhaust gas ports are such that the motor runs hotter than it should.

Mike

[cletrac (RIP)]

Way back in the day vehicles didn't have very efficient heaters. Henry Ford took note of this so when the flattie was being designed he insisted that they run the exhaust ports through the block. This would make the motor run hotter and hence a more efficient heater. The rest is history!
Any motors from the fifties and earlier that I've had anything to do with seem to cool better with no thermostats. Those old water pumps don't pump that well at the best of times so you don't want any more restrictions that you can avoid.
Another thing if a motor's running too hot try playing with the spark timing. A few degrees here and there can make quite a difference but on a Cab 11 it's a pain in the butt to do. Sometimes a size bigger on the carbs main jet helps too.

[gjamo]

Back when I was a kid on the farm at Corowa everything that ran ended up being powered by a blitz or carrier motor including ski boats and tractors. The trick we found as long as all other cooling system components were in good condition was to run an extra pint of oil in the sump.
85% of engine heat goes to oil to be disipated. We never suffered with oil foaming or pumping it out and motors ran hot but acceptably ever during harvest in a header.

[Lynn Eades]

what engine oil are you using?
The reason why I ask is because, it is reccomended to use a mono grade oil in the flathead v8, because mono grade oils have better heat transfer qualities.
I would not ditch the thermostats. I would use 160 ones. preferably waxstat ones.( bellows ones fail in the closed position usually) Some engines overheat because the water circulates too fast without thermostats.
They cause your engine to heat up to working temp. quickly, and then maintaining an even temp,which leads to a long service life.
There are quite a few very pertinent comments to this thread that should help.
Lynn.

[Bob Carriere]

... if the thermostat issue does not seem to make a significant improvement...... have you considered using a remote oil filter such as a double spin on PH 8 arrangement..... the two filters will give you an extra 1.5 quart of oil and with the filters remotelly installed inside the frame they will be in the airstream adding some cooling features. The cast aluminium remote filter brackets are usually available at flea markets as left over of the old hot rod days for $10-$20....... and you could also include a engine oil cooler for greater heat dissipation.

Don't forget that you new engine will have more friction has parts slowly settlle in place....

Enjoyed your posting.....good luck.

BooBee

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi all - I think ditching thermostats is the old wives tale. Go back to the grass roots of engine design where a need was assessed to incorporate thermostats. Sixty three years on the engine is not as efficient through the water flow areas. Fix that and you should have no problems. Ditching thermostats is using the same rationale as to converting to 12v electrics. If you replicate the wiring correctly and not use modern wiring, no problems. Millions of vehicles utilised thermostats and 6v. Modern day restorers should recognise these facts.

Bob