Armoured Carrier, Wheeled - Indian Pattern

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
also check the following threads on the Old Forum:

• Carrier, Wheeled, 4x4 (Indian Pattern)
• Wheeled Armoured Carrier in Afghanistan

I've noticed some of the threads on the old forum have disappeared. The second one is gone already, so I'm copying the first one here before it gets lost as well:

Carrier, Wheeled, 4x4 (Indian Pattern)
April 13 2002 at 4:46 PM Hanno Spoelstra

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See the American Memory from the Library of Congress site for some fascinating wartime pictures. The search for "India Armoured Car" gave the following results:


8b05878r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b0500...0/8b05878r.jpg
"Combat car in India. A newly completed armored combat car going through a rigid final test somewhere in India. The armored plate is put on the chasis in India. Lend-lease materials and equipment play a vital part in the manufacture of these cars."

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http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8d4300...0/8d43560r.jpg
"United States "lend-lease" program in eastern India. An American "Do-All" machine saws armor plate for use in combat cars at an Indian factory. Lend-lease materials are essential in the manufacture of this super-tough steel."

8d43539r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8d4300...0/8d43539r.jpg
"United States "lend-lease" program in eastern India. A newly completed combat car on the testing ground "somewhere in India." The armor plate is put on the chassis in India. Lend-lease materials and equipment play a vital part in the manufacture of these cars."

8d43574r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8d4300...0/8d43574r.jpg
"United States "lend-lease" program in eastern India. An Indian workman, using an American welder which was supplied under lend-lease, welds an armor plate on a nearly completed combat car."

[Alex van de Wetering]

I came across this picture in the Dutch Army photo archive....no idea if it has been posted on the forum before, but better safe than sorry.

source: http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/nl...d/pantserwagen

Dutch East Indies 1947.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

I came across this picture in the Dutch Army photo archive....no idea if it has been posted on the forum before, but better safe than sorry.

Alex,

It did ring a bell so I had a search for it. Found it in the thread armoured vehicle query, which has more pictures of these types of carrier in the NEI.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Wheeled Armoured Carrier assembly line: "fit floor plate and floors" station (IWM IND 517)

IWM (IND 517).jpg

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

It did ring a bell so I had a search for it. Found it in the thread armoured vehicle query, which has more pictures of these types of carrier in the NEI.

That thread has gone missing, alas. I posted this picture, of which a much better quality scan has now been made available in the Dutch National Archives.

There are two Wheeled Carriers, both of which have the typical Indian Army census numbers of which the /|\ has been supplanted by a Dutch flag. They are following a Universal Carrier and what may be a Humfox leading the column.

Beschrijving: Dr. C.P.M. Romme (in licht overhemd). Zit op een pantserwagen, onderdeel van een colonne over de "dodenweg" van Medan naar Belawan
Datum: 2 februari 1947

NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_145-2-4_resized.jpg
Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/8e5151...f-c6c68ae1fe61

[Hanno Spoelstra]

"1946 India - Soldiers & Daimler Dingo (sic) with Wire cage roof #1"
393060134180.jpg
Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/393060134180


"1946 India - Soldiers & Daimler Dingo (sic) with Wire cage roof #2"
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Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/393060127604

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Three more pictures of this vehicle in service with the Netherlands army in Indonesia (Dutch National Archives)

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[Mike Cecil]

The lower image shows a carrier mounting a Japanese 13-mm Model 93 machine gun. Calibre was actually 13.2-mm (0.52 inch). Had a 30 round magazine. Fired Ball, AP or Tracer. Also issued in a dual or triple mount. If I remember correctly, the butt has a kink in it to offset it to one side, I think the left, so that the operator can see past the action & magazine to align with the offset front sight.

Interesting that the Dutch picked up Japanese equipment and put it to good use: there would have been plenty of Japanese weapons and ammunition available.

Mike

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

There are two Wheeled Carriers, both of which have the typical Indian Army census numbers of which the /|\ has been supplanted by a Dutch flag. They are following a Universal Carrier and what may be a Humfox leading the column.

These photos show Dr. C.P.M. Romme, a Dutch politician (in the light shirt) sitting on a Wheeled Armoured Carrier, part of a column on the "death road" from Medan to Belawan, Indonesia.
Apparently there was not a high risk of attacks on that day, otherwise Romme would have travelled under armour.
Date: 2 February 1947

NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_145-2-4-klein.jpg

NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_146-1-2-klein.jpg NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_145-2-6-klein.jpg

Source: http://hdl.handle.net/10648/8e515100...f-c6c68ae1fe61 | http://hdl.handle.net/10648/96adc277...b-a9e7744049c1 | http://hdl.handle.net/10648/38b89ede...0-08127ab354c3

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

I came across this picture in the Dutch Army photo archive....no idea if it has been posted on the forum before, but better safe than sorry.

source: http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/nl...d/pantserwagen

Dutch East Indies 1947.

Here's another shot of the same type of wheeled carrier (may even be the same example). Recently unearthed by Keith Webb from the Netherlands National Archives:

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Collection / Archive Fotocollectie Dienst voor Legercontacten Indonesië
Report / Series [DLC] Bezoek van professor Romme aan Medan
Description Dr. C.P.M. Romme (in licht overhemd) maakt tocht langs de "dodenweg" van Medan naar Belawan
Date 2 februari 1947
Location Indonesië, Medan, Nederlands-Indië, Sumatra
Person names Romme, C.P.M.
Photographer Fotograaf Onbekend / DLC
Copyright Holder Nationaal Archief, CC0
Physical Description Negatief (zwart/wit)
Catalog reference number 2.24.04.03
Inventory File Number 146-1-2

[Ed Storey]

My Father has owned this British booklet Our Men in Korea since 1955 and because of all the CMPs, this photograph has always been my favourite.

Royal New Zealand Artillery Advance to New Positions Near the Front Line. copy.jpg

[chrisgrove]

Those Indian Pattern Wheeled Carriers from Korea are New Zealand LPOPs (not entirely sure what that stands for). Very similar to the wartime Indian ones but just slightly different. Driver hatch is nearer the centre of the vehicle for one.
Chris

[Andrew Rowe]

That picture is of New Zealand Wheeled Carriers in Korea, that were used as gun tractors for the 25pdr's. They did not find them that suitable as they were fairly wide for the dykes. They were fitted with a White Scout Car front roller before they were shipped to Korea, as this was not a Standard feature when they were manufactured in WW2, In New Zealand. 76 were manufactured in NZ during the War to full body status, even though 99 chassis's had been imported for the build program. The LPOP, stands for Local Pattern Observation Post.
It was modeled from the "Indian Pattern " wheeled Carrier with welding used to construct the bodies, where as the Indian ones were Riveted, Cheers Andrew.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Ed, great picture, thanks.

Chris, further to what Andrew wrote, I'd say LPOP stands for Local Pattern Observation Post. Many types of armoured vehicles were turned into OP's, e.g. Sherman and Ram tanks, but also Universal Carriers. In this case LP refers to the locally built version of the "Carrier, Wheeled, NZ Pattern Mk II"

Also see http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...137#post106137

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

I came across this picture in the Dutch Army photo archive....no idea if it has been posted on the forum before, but better safe than sorry.

source: http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/nl...d/pantserwagen

Dutch East Indies 1947.

Found the updated link to this photo:

Objectnummer: 2002-413-1
Titel: Verblijf en optreden van Stoottroepen Infanterie IV (voorheen 5(9) RS) in Nederlands-Indië.
Militairen van de 2e Compagnie in een Armoured Carrier Wheeled (Indian Pattern) Mk IV tijdens een konvooitransport van Medan naar Belawan.
Datering 1947-01
NIMH_2002-413-1.tjp.jpg
https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/f...6-9b9cdf5c2ff3

[Hanno Spoelstra]

And one more in use with the Netherlands East Indies Army:

Objectnummer: 2002-250-7
Titel: Verblijf en optreden van het 4e Bataljon Regiment Stoottroepen in Nederlands-Indië. Militairen en voertuigen stellen zich op in de Chinese wijk voor een parade.
Datering: 1949-11-07

NIMH_2002-250-7.tjp.jpg
https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/f...0-e83140ffc86e

[Ed Storey]

Here is a manual associated with this vehicle.

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here's a survivor in the Defense Services Museum, Naypyidaw, Myanmar/Burma. They have an Indian Pattern Armoured Truck, too.

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Source: "Naypyidaw is the new capital of Myanmar which is around 5 hours ride from Yangon, the country's old capital."
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...0542504&type=3

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Sent in by Aaron Smith:

“One I found on Facebook again of an in service carrier with the Burmese /Myanmar army 1950’s”

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