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Old 28-09-09, 07:03
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Max informs me it may be possible to remove 5 of the ten wheel studs in the drum (every second one)& then put 20 inch rims on. Anyone want to comment on that??

Apparently some of the front wheels on tractors (the ploughing type not the gun type) also have 18 inch rims???
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Not sure about removing the studs but it may be possible to just swap drums if they are the same size as 5 stud drums. I think this may have happened in earlier years when farmers who purchased ex military trucks could not find 18 inch tyres. They just changed the drums, wheels and tyre size to what was commonly available. As it says in the 18 inch tyre thread there is 18in tractor tyres available but not in suitable tread patterns.
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Old 28-09-09, 09:13
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The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day and have nothing to do with CMPs. You might be lucky to find a pre-war Chev truck to salvage the 20" wheels from, but where??? This truck has had the guards widened to fit the 18" D^D wheels, but it is not an MCP. There WAS a version of the Chev truck fitted with 2wd CMP parts and this was the CC60L MCP.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.
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Old 28-09-09, 11:16
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The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.
Look at that you learn something new everyday Tony. I did not know that the 10 stud wheels were standard Chev truck.

But I agree with Tony about sticking to Fords!
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The change in rims also meant a change hubs, if you want to fit the 20" you will have to fit comercial hubs Or the spacer to maintain pivot point of the tyre.
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Old 01-12-09, 08:39
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Just to update everyone on the progress on this truck - Ive got a motor & am in the process of putting it in. Thanks to John Stokes for the motor and to Keith Webb for the delivery of the engine to Mighty Max's place.

Just in between jobs I pulled the 18inch drum off with bearings & attempted to fit some civilian drums - they do not fit properly.

The civilian drums have different bearings....... they have a ball type bearing not roller bearings like the 18's drum.

They will go onto the 18's stub axle but without the piece that goes over the balls & normally runs on the smaller diameter - civilian stub axle.

Hence the balls are running on the stub axle. I dont think this'll be healthy for the sub axle over the long term.

Also the civilian outer bearing sits too far in on the 18's stub axle for the nut & washer to provide any pre-load.

You can imagine I feeling disappointed & frustrated . I need some good advice from someone who has been through this. I'm doing this truck for my brother in law & I guess I dont want to accept the fact I may have to go & find some civilian truck stub axles. Fitting them & removing the other ones looks like a pain in the proverbial.

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Old 29-09-09, 01:47
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The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day and have nothing to do with CMPs. You might be lucky to find a pre-war Chev truck to salvage the 20" wheels from, but where??? This truck has had the guards widened to fit the 18" D^D wheels, but it is not an MCP. There WAS a version of the Chev truck fitted with 2wd CMP parts and this was the CC60L MCP.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.
Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?
The Chev 10 stud pattern uses smaller dia studs on a smaller PCD than the regular "wide 5" pattern used on other trucks. And 40's Fords have a different stud PCD to the more common Dodge/Inter truck wheels of the 60's and 70's.

Bob McNeill has raised a pertinent point regarding the spacers for the hubs (or spacing of the rims).

The pre-war 20inch wheels used on Fords and Chevs generally ran smaller tyres such as 6.00-20 or 7.00-20, while later trucks went to sizes such as 7.50-20 and 8.25-20. There are specific rims to suit each of these tyre sizes, and in some cases hubs too. The obvious reason is that wider tyres will require a wider rim, and dual wheels will need greater offset so the wider tyres dont foul each other when "bagged" out under load. But a more specific reason is that the centreline of the front tyre must be in a particular position in relation to the Kingpin Axis for it to steer safely and acheive optimal tyre wear. Putting a large dia tyre on a rim with offset for a smaller tyre will have the contact point in the wrong place. With the contact point in the wrong spot, steering effort will be increased. There was not a lot of camber and caster adjustment built into the design (ie: Nil!) of the front end, so it is critical that the correct combination of bits is used to set it up safely.
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Old 30-09-09, 06:10
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The Chev 10 stud pattern uses smaller dia studs on a smaller PCD than the regular "wide 5" pattern used on other trucks. And 40's Fords have a different stud PCD to the more common Dodge/Inter truck wheels of the 60's and 70's.

Bob McNeill has raised a pertinent point regarding the spacers for the hubs (or spacing of the rims).

The pre-war 20inch wheels used on Fords and Chevs generally ran smaller tyres such as 6.00-20 or 7.00-20, while later trucks went to sizes such as 7.50-20 and 8.25-20. There are specific rims to suit each of these tyre sizes, and in some cases hubs too. The obvious reason is that wider tyres will require a wider rim, and dual wheels will need greater offset so the wider tyres dont foul each other when "bagged" out under load. But a more specific reason is that the centreline of the front tyre must be in a particular position in relation to the Kingpin Axis for it to steer safely and acheive optimal tyre wear. Putting a large dia tyre on a rim with offset for a smaller tyre will have the contact point in the wrong place. With the contact point in the wrong spot, steering effort will be increased. There was not a lot of camber and caster adjustment built into the design (ie: Nil!) of the front end, so it is critical that the correct combination of bits is used to set it up safely.
Thanks Tony... again and to you Bob. Critical info to stop me finishing up over a Cliff or as paintwork on the bull bar of an oncoming Kenworth.
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Two other questions I'll pester you Chev lads about..

Does the truck have a four speed gearbox?

Has anyone got any photo's of the metal bits of an old timber back? Meaning recent shot's of one that's an original. (Ambitious I know, but here's hoping)
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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
G'day Tony,

Ah looking at old Chevy's aye! They are not a bad old truck I like them until up to 1946 - after 46 they just do not look the same. Go on look at the Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy it will not bite. If a dyed in the wool Holden fan like me can start looking at those F word trucks so can you look at the opposition - under restricted conditions of course. Chevy .... Chevy ... Chevy

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Tony I couldnt agree more about sticking with Fords.

But just look at the poor old girl - sitting there - all alone - neglected - unloved.

What about the theory of removing every second stud and fitting 20's with 5 stud pattern? I'll give it a go if no-ones sure and report back?

Does anyone have any info on say, scarifier tyre sizes?
G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....

Trouble with the 'f' word eh?

It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......

Some blokes like blokes too!

Seriously what Robert said is spot on!


Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....

On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.

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G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....
Trouble with the 'f' word eh?
It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......
Some blokes like blokes too!
Seriously what Robert said is spot on!

Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....
On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.
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Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual...
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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Oohhhh Tony, It has come back to bight you. Serves yourself right for being bicmpual...
BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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It is either a truck that keeps on giving and giving for a price or maybe I missed tapping the "s" key in the right place.
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Old 30-09-09, 01:59
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BTW Lionel, Exactly what is a "workhore"??
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Perhaps the new term for liking Fords & Chevs is "workhore"?
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G'day Tony,

Now who was it who posted something like this a while ago on the restoration forum ....

Trouble with the 'f' word eh?

It's OK to like Chev's, the Ford guys understand......

Some blokes like blokes too!

Seriously what Robert said is spot on!


Now you are looking a Chevrolets assembled by Holden....

On a more serious note - I am going to the place where I bought my Chevrolet 1940 truck from and another place nearby with plenty of wheels - not 18 inch ones which will fit that truck plus some grilles in better condition than that one. If you are interested I can take some photos and send some information to you about any goodies you might need - if you really are going to do the right thing and resurrect the highly deserving old Chevy workhore - oops I am showing my favourtism towards Chevys again.

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Lionel anything, any help any time would be greatly appreciated & invaluable.

I guess all I can say is "you got me"

I just honestly cant stand the thought of the poor old thing rotting away in a paddock.
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Lionel anything, any help any time would be greatly appreciated & invaluable.

I guess all I can say is "you got me"

I just honestly cant stand the thought of the poor old thing rotting away in a paddock.
G'day Tony,
Yep sure did get you to rue those words hey! Yes, you can't leave any decent sort of truck to rot away in a paddock. Not even a Chevy aye!

Send me a PM with your details and I will email a load of photos on Friday or post them to you via snailmail -after I spend a happy day fossicking in the old truck Valhalla.

Leeann is even coming too - somewhat reluctantly I must admit.

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It's a four-speed - if you look you can see the 'reverse' lever on the side of the shift rod.
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The 10 stud hubs are the standard Chev commercial hubs of the day and have nothing to do with CMPs. You might be lucky to find a pre-war Chev truck to salvage the 20" wheels from, but where??? This truck has had the guards widened to fit the 18" D^D wheels, but it is not an MCP. There WAS a version of the Chev truck fitted with 2wd CMP parts and this was the CC60L MCP.

Chevs are too confusing, Tony, stick with a Ford.
G'day Tony,

Would you have any more images of the Chevy truck with storage boxes on the right hand side of the bed like in photo c61674.jpg? Most of the truck photos I have seen (not including the ones from Cliff which I am still working my way through - thanks Cliff) are all clean.

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Would you have any more images of the Chevy truck with storage boxes on the right hand side of the bed like in photo c61674.jpg?
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That photo shows a lend lease Chev fully imported and not one of the Holden Cab/assembled trucks like yours Lionel. Just browsed through my Chev photos which you have a copy of and can see no more of that truck but there was a thread on the lendlease Chevs I think not all that long ago.
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Old 29-09-09, 12:21
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Tony you could always build the old Chev into this model as then it would be of some use recovering other goodies for your collection

Photo from the factory photo disc from Service Publications that I received just recently
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That photo shows a lend lease Chev fully imported and not one of the Holden Cab/assembled trucks like yours Lionel. Just browsed through my Chev photos which you have a copy of and can see no more of that truck but there was a thread on the lendlease Chevs I think not all that long ago.
Hello CLiff,

I did not pick out from the photo that it was a lend lease cab. You have good eyes Cliff.

I am still a bit dubious about the photo because I originally was looking at a lend lease 1942 Chevy and have photos of it sent to me before I bought my 1940. Plus there was another Chevy which was lend lease at the same time and place where I got my truck from which I had to choose from. I still reckon that the nose - (cowl?) seems to look shorter in these trucks than the 3 ton stores truck.

Working at a university which has a photo lab I had a mate do a poster sized collage of photos I copied from some where and had my old truck in the centre as a bit of inspiration of what my truck will look like one day. Of the ten other trucks -all Chevys 1940-42 that 3 ton stores truck stands out as being different in the engine bay ... cowl... nose section. However it could be just a different angle or a distoration in the image between the 1940s and now.

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