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[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Tonight I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. Also I found a quote which posted earlier on this thread towards the top of the page. In the article it does say Cab 13 (1942-1945 model) ... some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. This article was written overseas so were models made in Australia after Cab 13 as things happened differently here? How were the series made after Cab 13 different from teach other

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. If there were series of cabs after 13 what years were they manufactured and how were they each different from the 13?

Kind Regards
Lionel

In fact it went right up to 43 but there was nothing in between. The cab 43 was built as a roofless wide version to carry a bofors gun crew.

There were also many detail differences between the first 1942 model cab 13s and the final version.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

In fact it went right up to 43 but there was nothing in between. The cab 43 was built as a roofless wide version to carry a bofors gun crew.

There were also many detail differences between the first 1942 model cab 13s and the final version.

Thanks Keith

I remember someone on another thread directed someone to stay with Fords as Chevy's were too complex. Well it seems CMP land is just as complex. I went to your site Keith before posting my last message and I could only see cab 13 as the highest number cab - of course I could have been looking on the wrong part of your site.

Also someone sent an image from a CMP Shop Manual and it featured lines and bubbles leading to different parts of the truck the photograph was taken from. Has anyone done a similar thing for example the great photos of Max's trucks and drawn arrows on the photo saying note the differences between the headlights on the two trucks? The Cab 11 has lights mounted on the mudguards and the Cab 13 has the headlights integrated into the mudguards. With information like this newbies could learn a lot of things and no ask so many questions. There are those books by Dr Grigg or spelt something similar which people have referred to on MLU however I have not seen one. However has anyone written an Australian New Zealand CMP book showing them and the changes between series from Cab 11 to OMG Cab 43?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Keith, does your CMP DVD have a commentary which points out differences between trucks or do you have to work it out by just looking at the DVD?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Keith, does your CMP DVD have a commentary which points out differences between trucks or do you have to work it out by just looking at the DVD?

Kind Regards
Lionel

No, the DVD is mostly about the 2002 Corowa event with a few side trips. Mike Cecil of the AWM does give a good history of the CMP in Australian use though.

And as I haven't yet finished the 2009 DVD yet I may take that on board and do a complete rundown on how the early and late cabs vary, also how the Australian Chev cab was completely built here and how it differs from the Canadian version.

But don't let that stop you buying the first DVD - there's a lot of CMP action in it including some material from Canada.

As for the site, I don't have anything on the 43 as it wasn't used here and I don't have pics.

Cliff is right, Dodge did make a prototype cab 13 using what looks to be a Ford cab.

There is also a shot in Bill Gregg's book with a cab 13 with all three manufacturer's badges on the grille.

[cliff]

I think the photo below is of the 43 cab. Whole unit was known as an F60B - the B standing for bofers. Not used by Australia.

Two other models not mentioned yet in the CMP lineup for you Lionel is the C60X, a 6X6 chev version and the F60H a 6X4 version with a lazy non driven extra axle at the rear. The C60X had a 13 cab on it and was used here in Australia but the F60H is not known to have made it to Australia and the photos I have seen show it with an 11 and 12 cab fitted.

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by cliff

I think the photo below is of the 43 cab. Whole unit was known as an F60B - the B standing for bofers. Not used by Australia.

Two other models not mentioned yet in the CMP lineup for you Lionel is the C60X, a 6X6 chev version and the F60H a 6X4 version with a lazy non driven extra axle at the rear. The C60X had a 13 cab on it and was used here in Australia but the F60H is not known to have made it to Australia and the photos I have seen show it with an 11 and 12 cab fitted.

Yes the F60B was for Bofors. Another obscure Ford was the F60T, a 115" wheelbase tractor for trailers.

The F60H appeared with a cab 13 as well as can be seen on page 248 and 249 of Bart Vanderveen's excellent 'Observers fighting vehicles directory' as both a Breakdown version and Folding Boat Equipment.
Another oddity quoted by Bart on page 249 was a 'Truck, 3-ton APT w/winch GM/Chrysler' fitted with a Chrysler 8 cylinder engine, 5 pilot models built including FAT of which there is a picture available. The engine was quoted as a 323.5 CID sidevalve.
Australia also produced an interesting one-off experiment when we created a half track based on a C60S and carrier components. It was not a success.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

Tonight I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. Also I found a quote which posted earlier on this thread towards the top of the page. In the article it does say Cab 13 (1942-1945 model) ... some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. This article was written overseas so were models made in Australia after Cab 13 as things happened differently here? How were the series made after Cab 13 different from teach other

Kind Regards
Lionel

I thought I'd confuse the issue a bit further for you Lionel by saying there was a third maker of CMP and that was Chrysler Canada who made at least one Dodge CMP prototype. I have only ever seen one photo of it and so far have no data on it apart from a few details.