inquiry on Iltis

[T. Alcorn]

Scotty or Craig,
I just got the title to my rig in the mail. The Iltis itself is due the end of this week. Could one of you check out my CFR? B1101-11-84-86109 I'm curious about where she's been and what she's done.
Is there anyplace to buy replica CF license plates?
Tom A in Colo Spgs USA

[Paul Singleton]

As for license plates you could make your own, although that is probably illegal. A friend works at CFB Kingston and said that the DND plates are not stamped and that the numbers are merely stickers applied to the plate. He has had trouble in the past with U.S. customs when entering the U.S. with his service truck from work when on business. The U.S. customs don't like the idea of DND plates on a vehicle that doesn't fit the appearance of a typical military vehicle.

Paul

[T. Alcorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Singleton

As for license plates you could make your own, although that is probably illegal. A friend works at CFB Kingston and said that the DND plates are not stamped and that the numbers are merely stickers applied to the plate. He has had trouble in the past with U.S. customs when entering the U.S. with his service truck from work when on business. The U.S. customs don't like the idea of DND plates on a vehicle that doesn't fit the appearance of a typical military vehicle.

Paul

Paul,
That, sir, makes things a lot easier. I found several places that print the CANADA and numbers on the plate instead of emboss.
The "CANADA" and edge striping should be black, right? I was sent a sample this morning done in red.
On either side of "CANADA" at the top, aren't there two 25x30mm flag stickers?

Edit: Here's #2 that Platemeister sent me:

Tom A in CS

[Scott Bentley]

Heres a site that gives some good images of CF Licence Plates:

Canadian Military Series Plates

WRT your CFR, i'm still a few days away from regaining access to the DIN, but if someone doesn't answer you before that, i'll dig it up.

Scotty

[T. Alcorn]

Scotty,
Now I know where Platemeister got the image, right from that site you posted.
The Maple Leaves on the top, are they embossed onto the plate or printed? Platemeister was going to print two maple leaves onto 3M reflective media, but, I think that would cause camouflage problems in the field. You guys deployed with these plates on the vehicles.
If he can print the maple leaves that should be good enough. I wouldn't expect them to make the embossing die unless there is sufficient demand for replica plates. Most of the vehicles were surplussed with the plates still on, right?
Should I start a separate post in the Restoration section about DND plates? Same plate design would be used for domestic M38s, M151s, Iltis, etc.
Canadian Forces in Europe have a different plate.

[Craig S.]

Tom -
I'm on leave until the end of the month so the info you require would have to wait until then - sorry...

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by T. Alcorn

Scotty,
Now I know where Platemeister got the image, right from that site you posted.
The Maple Leaves on the top, are they embossed onto the plate or printed? Platemeister was going to print two maple leaves onto 3M reflective media, but, I think that would cause camouflage problems in the field. You guys deployed with these plates on the vehicles.
If he can print the maple leaves that should be good enough. I wouldn't expect them to make the embossing die unless there is sufficient demand for replica plates. Most of the vehicles were surplussed with the plates still on, right?
Should I start a separate post in the Restoration section about DND plates? Same plate design would be used for domestic M38s, M151s, Iltis, etc.
Canadian Forces in Europe have a different plate.

The pic you posted above is the correct plate for a CF Vehicle, regardless of wether it is Tactical or Commercial, deployed or domestic. The others with the Red Lettering would have been on private vehicles of those who were posted to Germany/Europe.

As for the CFR Plate, the white background is reflective, CANADA and the green trim line around the plate are embossed but not reflective. The actual Digits and the Maple Leaves are just stickers and are also non-reflective. We usually either remove or just cover the plates with a sandbag during actual operations, so the reflective properties of the plate aren't of a huge concern.

I've seen CFR plates left on surplused vehicles, but that would be an exception and not the rule. Usually lately, with MLVWs anyway, the CFR is just written on the bumper with a lumber crayon or something similar.

Scotty

[Ed Storey]

As Scotty said, DND uses the same style on all of its CFR plates even if the vehicle is commercial or SMP. Please keep in mind that the design of the CFR Plate has changed and I have noted three types in use since the early 1970s. Here are a couple of images of Canadian vehicles in use on overseas missions.

[derk derin]

Hi All,
I have a couple of Canadian military plates in my collection that are different than the one you show in the thread.Mine has "DND" stamped in the top of the plate with 2 maple leafs stamped in as well.

The other plate has a "CANADA" tag riveted ofer the "DND" portion of the plate.Anybody know the history and era these plates had compared to the other plate shown in this thread?

Thanks, Derk.

[Ed Storey]

The DND plate is the first, followed by the CANADA affixed over the DND and then we have the current CANADA plates. I think your DND plates are about 40 years old.

[super dave]

I picked up a late DND plate last year with the CANADA plate screwed on over top of the DND. Some one gave me the one in red quite a while back but I do not know what it would have been on. The new one I found at a local flee market.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Stuart Fedak

Can anyone help me with these Iltis CFR #............

85-87597
85-87384
85-87563
85-86347
86-88255
85-87455

These Iltis should all have been from the Ottawa/Petawawa/Kingston area.

Cheers!
Stuart

Crap... Missed that today. I'll try to get them tomorrow.

Scotty

[Scott Bentley]

CFR No 87597
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-09-85-87597
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0114
DA Unit 0114
Date Acquired 05-Dec-85
Cost 26363
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE21941 - 15-Aug-05
HN Date 09-Jan-06
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 21-Sep-05

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE21941 - 15-Aug-05 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE23571 - 16-Oct-03 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE22229 - 13-Jun-03 REGULAR No 121501 CS 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE20694 - 09-Feb-01 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE29599 - 08-Dec-00 REGULAR No 121501 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
DLE27900 - 14-Jul-00 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE29882 - 08-May-98 REGUL No 121501 CX 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE24731 - 29-Oct-96 REGUL No 121501 FX 0114 3338 772 Electronic Warfare Squadron
DP352775 - 28-Jan-92 REGUL No 121501 FX 0114 1599 EW SQN 763 (OTTAWA) COMM REGIMENT
DP351832 - 22-Oct-91 REGUL No 121501 AX 2477 2477 1 CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY DEPOT
DP359324 - 18-Feb-91 UPDAT No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP358835 - 10-Jan-91 REGUL No 121501 AX 2477 2477 1 CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY DEPOT
DP357900 - 15-Oct-90 UPDAT No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP357394 - 24-Aug-90 REGUL No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot
DP356517 - 06-Jun-90 REGUL No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP359927 - 22-Apr-87 REGUL No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot
DP352164 - 08-Nov-85 NONE No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot

CFR No 87384
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-08-85-87384
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0114
DA Unit 0114
Date Acquired 17-Oct-85
Cost 26363
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE25389 - 21-Mar-06
HN Date 20-Sep-07
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 21-Mar-06

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE25389 - 21-Mar-06 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE29340 - 14-Nov-02 REGULAR No 121501 MF 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE26717 - 14-Apr-00 REGULAR No 121501 CX 1774 1774 2 Combat Engineer Regiment
DLE26713 - 14-Apr-00 REGULAR No 121501 CX 1754 1754 The Royal Canadian Dragoons
E99-0103 - 28-Jan-99 REGUL No 121501 BX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
F86-111 - 27-Mar-86 NONE No 121501 CX 1754 1754 The Royal Canadian Dragoons

If you ever want to sell this one let me know. I probably drove it at some point as 2 CER didn't have many Iltis:
CFR No 87563
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-05-85-87563
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0114
DA Unit 0114
Date Acquired 18-Nov-85
Cost 26500
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE25389 - 21-Mar-06
HN Date 20-Sep-07
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 21-Mar-06

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE25389 - 21-Mar-06 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE29341 - 14-Nov-02 REGULAR No 121501 MF 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE22948 - 20-Aug-01 REGULAR No 121501 BX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
DLE28505 - 05-Sep-00 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
E99-0069 - 13-Jan-99 REGUL No 121501 BX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
E97-0141 - 24-Jun-97 REGUL No 121501 CX 1774 1774 2 Combat Engineer Regiment
F94-378 - 08-Aug-94 COMDV No 121501 BX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
F94-370 - 02-Aug-94 COMDV No 121501 BS 3191 3191 Militia Training and Suppot Centre Meaford
DP353446 - 24-Mar-94 REGUL No 121501 BS 1764 1764 2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
DP354762 - 22-May-92 REGUL No 121501 AS 1764 1764 2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
L86-178 - 01-May-86 NONE No 121501 CX 1761 1761 1ST REGT, ROYAL CDN HORSE ARTY (REAR)

CFR No 86347
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-01-85-86347
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0107
DA Unit 0107
Date Acquired 15-Nov-85
Cost 26500
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE25080 - 01-Mar-06
HN Date 08-Jun-06
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 05-Apr-06

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE25080 - 01-Mar-06 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
DLE22697 - 23-Jul-01 REGULAR No 121501 CX 1847 1847 1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment
DLE28845 - 06-Oct-00 REGULAR No 121501 MF 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
E99-0255 - 27-Apr-99 CANCE No 121501 CX 1847 1847 1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment
E98-0367 - 02-Dec-98 REGUL No 121501 BX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
F86-102 - 27-Mar-86 NONE No 121501 CX 1847 1847 1st Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment

CFR No 88255
CFR Year 1986
Serial No BI01-04-86-88255
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0107
DA Unit 0107
Date Acquired 12-Aug-86
Cost 26363
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE24315 - 09-Jan-06
HN Date 16-Sep-06
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 30-May-06

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE24315 - 09-Jan-06 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
DLE25278 - 12-Mar-04 REGULAR No 121501 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
E02-0320 - 04-Sep-02 REGULAR No 121501 DN 3027 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
E02-0287 - 29-Jul-02 REGULAR No 121501 DS 3525 3525 Land Force Central Area Training Centre Detachment
E02-0284 - 24-Jul-02 REGULAR No 121501 DN 3027 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
E02-0194 - 16-May-02 REGULAR No 121501 DS 3525 3525 Land Force Central Area Training Centre Detachment
DLE26496 - 03-Apr-00 REGULAR No 121501 DN 3027 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
DLE25618 - 06-Feb-00 REGULAR No 121501 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
F95-398 - 21-Aug-95 COMDV No 121501 DN 3027 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
F95-271 - 13-Jun-95 COMDV No 121501 DS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP355809 - 03-Sep-94 REGUL No 121501 DN 3027 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
DP358519 - 16-Mar-93 REGUL No 121501 DN 0124 5020 The Windsor Regiment (RCAC)
F86-474 - 22-Oct-86 UPDAT No 121501 DN 0131 0131 CANADIAN FORCES BASE LONDON
DP357230 - 18-Oct-86 REGUL No 121501 BX 0131 0131 CANADIAN FORCES BASE LONDON
DP355484 - 27-Jun-86 UPDAT No 121501 JX 0131 0131 CANADIAN FORCES BASE LONDON

CFR No 87455
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-08-85-87455
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0125
DA Unit 5091
Date Acquired 17-Oct-85
Cost 0
Alloc Code DX
Comm Suite
Current VMO F86-370 - 12-Sep-86
HN Date
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 01-Jan-93

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
F86-370 - 12-Sep-86 UPDAT No 121501 DX 0125 5091 The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment
DP356190 - 21-Aug-86 REGUL No 121501 BX 0125 0125 Canadian Forces Base Trenton

Phew... There you go.

Scotty

[Stuart Fedak]

Originally Posted by armybuck041

CFR No 87597
CFR Year 1985
Serial No BI01-09-85-87597
Actual ECC 121501
Authorized ECC 121501
NSN 2320-21-895-3768
ERN 30111
Holding Unit 0114
DA Unit 0114
Date Acquired 05-Dec-85
Cost 26363
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DLE21941 - 15-Aug-05
HN Date 09-Jan-06
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 21-Sep-05

VMO Type Pending To ECC To AC To HUIC To DA UIC
DLE21941 - 15-Aug-05 REGULAR No 121501 MB 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE23571 - 16-Oct-03 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE22229 - 13-Jun-03 REGULAR No 121501 CS 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE20694 - 09-Feb-01 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE29599 - 08-Dec-00 REGULAR No 121501 NX 0107 0107 Canadian Forces Base/Area Support Unit Petawawa
DLE27900 - 14-Jul-00 REGULAR No 121501 CX 3028 3028 Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment
DLE29882 - 08-May-98 REGUL No 121501 CX 0114 0114 Canadian Forces Base / Area Support Unit Kingston
DLE24731 - 29-Oct-96 REGUL No 121501 FX 0114 3338 772 Electronic Warfare Squadron
DP352775 - 28-Jan-92 REGUL No 121501 FX 0114 1599 EW SQN 763 (OTTAWA) COMM REGIMENT
DP351832 - 22-Oct-91 REGUL No 121501 AX 2477 2477 1 CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY DEPOT
DP359324 - 18-Feb-91 UPDAT No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP358835 - 10-Jan-91 REGUL No 121501 AX 2477 2477 1 CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY DEPOT
DP357900 - 15-Oct-90 UPDAT No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP357394 - 24-Aug-90 REGUL No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot
DP356517 - 06-Jun-90 REGUL No 121501 AS 0113 0113 Canadian Forces Base Borden
DP359927 - 22-Apr-87 REGUL No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot
DP352164 - 08-Nov-85 NONE No 121501 AX 1941 1941 25 Canadian Forces Supply Depot

Phew... There you go.

Scotty

Scotty:
Thank you very much. I will have to sort out which CFR is with which Iltis. Two of the Iltis from Kingston were purchased in 2006 as salvage units. One had no engine or transmision and was striped down. That unit is down to just the frame at the moment. The other salvage unit had an engine, but had been in an accident. I have the engine, transmission and drive train from that unit. From the two, I will be making one Iltis. I have to do some body repair, which is the reason for my interest in the rotissarie for body repair. I will eventually convert one of the bodies to a tailgate Iltis.

CFR No 87597 is my main Iltis, and I have that unit geared up with two antenna mounts on the rear, and a front HF antena mount. Currently it has RT-524 and PRC-25 (both Canadian issue). It runs well.

http://www.megacycles.co.uk/photos/Stuart.htm

One of the other Iltis is undergoing a NOS body replacement. I stripped that unit down to the frame, cleaned and re-painted the drive train. This spring I will be putting the body back on the frame.... Lots to do....

I must say I really enjoy working on the Iltis. As my other passion is radio communications, I appreciate the Iltis as a communications platform. I often use the Iltis for portable radio comms for public service events in the Ottawa region.

http://www.ovmrc.on.ca/Rambler/Ram2007-06.pdf

Cheers!
Stuart