MKII Carrier, 4" Smoke Discharger Info

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Just to be clear and say it....these dischargers are cut down rifles and are very prohibited and illegal in Canada. They must be deactivated to the firearms guidelines and pinned and welded as mine are.

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Here's a picture of the Canadian Ross and British SMLE dischargers. Note the 'NO SAFETY' safety on the left side of the SMLE. The idea was to use a modified rifle safety to keep the bolt in, but not stop the action from firing. The real safety was a cotter pin at the other end of the cable inside the vehicle.

[horsa]

Adding to what Bruce has posted, these are permitted in the USA but fall under the "short barrel rifle" definition according to ATF so require Class III papers with the same finger print cards, background check and $200 tax that applies for owning a machine gun. Basically if you can vote in the USA, you can legally own one once registered but you are a Felon waiting to be arrested if you start work cutting down a rifle prior to receiving your papers with tax stamp affixed.

Took four months to get a ruling on what they would classify the device since it could be seen as a pistol, mortar or short barreled rifle depending on how you looked at it. Then the applications could be filled out and submitted. Took several more months to get them to sign off on it but that is due to their agency being overwhelmed by people doing modern firearms registrations since Mr. ’O took office and stirred up the gun community.

[Ron Pier]

I think this is a grey area here in UK? I took a legally deactivated SMLE and cut it down. Legally I might have done something wrong, but logically what difference can it make? There is also an issue with any form of grenade or smoke launcher. I have heard of Ferret owners having to remove those six tubes ( dischargers). Also a mortar tube is supposed to be deactivated by being drilled through and having metal bars welded across the tube, to stop any projectile being inserted. How dangerous is a piece of metal tube without the bomb? Ron

[RichardT10829]

Ron you have stepped into a sticky patch potentially as you have "Modified" the weapon which can place it back within the section 1 boundiary, also specific weapons with muzzle lengths shorter than (......cant remember the figure) fall into section 1 if you like i can raise the question at work not mentioning any names of course to see what the legality is ?

[Ron Pier]

Oh my Gawd! Richard don't say you're with MI5? I was only joking! I didn't really do it. Also I don't live at my address anymore R?N

[RichardT10829]

HAHAHAHAHAHA just spat my tea up.......not that far but i could be construed as being of the "Black Rats" Brigade i will look into it for us UKer's so we know where we stand.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Just to be clear and say it....these dischargers are cut down rifles and are very prohibited and illegal in Canada. They must be deactivated to the firearms guidelines and pinned and welded as mine are.

Debatable.

Yes, the FART says that the gun is prohib.

It is kind of a loaded question as to what is illegal about them. The receiver itself is not substantially different than a regular non-restricted Enfield or Ross. It will be due to the barrel being cut down. But is it? Are these original barrels that have been cut and machined, or new barrels that were made for the purpose of the smoke discharger. If new, and the length is more than 104mm from the breech face to the end of the barrel, then, the barrel is would not be prohibited device. Bit if it was an original barrel, and it has been shortened to below 18", then the barrel is a prohibited device.

What I did to get around all of this was first to oblong the bore of the short barrel so if a round was fired, the gas would merely escape beside the bullet. If the gun cannot achieve the required velocity, then it is not registrable here in Canada. I also pin the barrel so that it cannot accept a live round, but only the shorter 303 blank. This method was also used by on the blank fire brens at one time to prevent live rounds from being chambered in a blank fire barrel. If the gun cannot fire a round that will cause bodily harm, then it is not a firearm. I pin the barrel to the receiver so the barrel cannot be replaced.

Voila, capable of blank fire but not a firearm.

The Deactivation guidelines are just that, and a judge already ruled that they have no force of law in Canada. What the law does say, is if the gun can easily be made to fire a projectile and cause bodily harm.

Let the debate begin, but that is my take on the smoke dis-chargers in Canada.

[Adame]

Hey

This would make an easy smoke conversion to a 4 " smoke discharger.

http://yhst-5672966975550.stores.yahoo.net/swjawa.html

Adam

[RichardT10829]

Jawa blaster ? as in Starwars ? damn those teddy bears had primative weapons even if they were from a galaxy far far away

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's one with the Bowden cable on ebay for someone.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Smoke-Discharger...item19bac7f7c0

[martyn]

question for you all i was thinking about putting the 4inch smoke discharger bracket on my carrier but it has a deep water bracket welded to the out side of the hull just where i want to drill my holes, have any of you got a mk2 with the bracket in side and the deep water bracket on the out side? if so could you post a couple of photos from the inside and out for me to work from as i am going to have to cut the welds and counter sink the holes for two of the bolts.

cheers
martyn

[Jordan Baker]

The brk for the MK2 carrier is different then the Mk1 carrier. I have a repo of the Mk2 brk. I wonder if you could tap the holes and just screw 2 bolts in.