DND Repossession(Rant )

[charlie fitton]

note that the veh being called back are potentially useful to the CF...

[Gordon Yeo]

There is an orginization that will surely help! Years ago the last flying WW 2 Canso left in Canada was going to be sold off shore and it was hoped it could be retained for a historic/ museum purpose. It was flown by 162 squadron RCAF and Thomas Cooke DFC, AFC ( check out Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame ) won his DFC for sinking a German submarine. In the log book containing the names of pilots who also flew it included David Hornell VC.
All attempts to get goverment support or financing to aquire the airplane were rejected. Luckily it was sold to a buyer from France who completely restored the airplane and was used for arieal photography.
If that isn't worth saving then an M113 might fall through the cracks as well.

[Ed Storey]

Is this rant based on anything other than hearsay? Starting off with a friend sent me an e-mail that apparently concerns a Federal Department and Federal Museum is really not a firm basis to start a thread that seems to wander off in two directions. Do you really know the actual events or are you just basing this thread on the information you recieved in the e-mail?

Also, are you unhappy that the vehicles were apparently recalled? Are you unhappy that DND apparently wanted them recalled? Do you know, or have you ever actually seen any formal written agreement between DND and CWM and if so please tell us all what the details of the loan agreement are so that we can all perhaps forumate an informed opinion.

Your rant quickly turned into some sort of statement on the CWM collection and how you seem to think it is not very good and that collectors are "more historically correct(Depending on availability of parts and finances) we are more mobile, asthetically more accurate and collectors are more knowledgeable of their vehicles than some guide at the CWM." How does this relate to the original topic, ie the apparent recall of vehicles, that you started to rant about?

Next you wander off and start babbling on about the demand for display vehicles, how does this relate to your original topic? Also, what is this battle you have been raging for years with your vehicles?

I don't know what the agreement between CWM and DND is or was, perhaps when DND passes AFVs to CWM the vehicles have to stay with CWM and not be loaned out to a third party; musuem or not. But, this is specualtion as I do not know the answer. Perhaps an e-mail to the CWM or the parent organization the Museum of Civilization will get you all of the details.

Boycotting events, I am not sure what events you are talking about, is not the way to go. If you are not pleased with the state of the CWM collection, then instead of generating rants in this forum, do something about it. There is a charitable support organization for the CWM called the Friends of the Canadian War Museum. By joining this organization, this can give you a voice into the preservation of museum artefacts, something you will not get with just ranting on this forum.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

If you are not pleased with the state of the CWM collection, then instead of generating rants in this forum, do something about it. There is a charitable support organization for the CWM called the Friends of the Canadian War Museum. By joining this organization, this can give you a voice into the preservation of museum artefacts, something you will not get with just ranting on this forum.

Efforts on behalf of the CWM will result in bigger budgets for hospitality and better cheese trays at events instead of restorations I fear.

Ed, hearsay aside, how do you know there is no basis for this rant?

[Jordan Baker]

From my understanding this in response to a US State Dept rulling about private ownership on certain military veh's.

I also understand that this was affecting people not just in Canada but abroad too. Perhaps this was an arrangement that DND made with the US State Dept.

[Lynn Eades]

N.Z. had about 60 M113's which Army disposals auctioned off under strict conditions.
After the auction finished, the new owner to be, was an Australian. The U.S. Govt. did not approve the sale, and about 55 M113's were melted down. A percentage of those APC's could have gone into collecters hands here, and the tax payers of this country, could have seen a bit of pay back.
To me the whole thing stinks, but thats big brother being his usual pratt self. Since then he's had a big stupidity attack, and now we cant get ex military antiques across his border.
When I was a serving soldier back in the 70's I decided I would buy one (M113) when they came up for disposal.
I would love to have owned one, but they've probably been Coke cans, a few times by now.
What happens when the LAVs come up for disposal?

[RichardT10829]

cant you hide them ? and give the "Oh sorry they appear to have melted in the fire we had last week" ? it sucks when things like this happen and alas i fear those that get recalled will eventually be destroyed through neglect then dispose method.

[charlie fitton]

What happens when the LAVs come up for disposal?[/QUOTE]

They won't - we'll spend a billion or so rebuilding them , then give them away, just like the Bonnie...

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Restrictions on the sale of DND Ferrets. Welded wheel nuts on surplus 105 and 155 howitzers. "Cut-up on site" sale of surplus Leopards. Iltis's cut into four parts. I see a pattern and find the original post, hearsay or not, completely believable. I think somebody up there doesn't like the idea of civilian ownership of MV's and related equipment.

Segue into government museums as the only repository for this era's military equipment.

Convinced yet Ed?