Instrument panels (Dash boards)

[Lynn Eades]

With Phillip asking questions about his Scout carrier instrument panel, i thought I'd put up a few variations, with the idea of helping others, as much as getting some answers, for my self.
First up, a std universal MkI*

[Lynn Eades]

From a British carrier, This one has the ally bodied CAV switch assy, as apposed to the steel fronted Ford of Canada switch. It also has the housing of the Smiths speedo.

[Lynn Eades]

This one belongs to my A.O.P. Note the temp gauge extension at the bottom has been deleted(the temp gauge goes in the other face)

[Lynn Eades]

This one has had the horn button hole, and the power plug blanked off. A factory mod. (not all carriers had horns)
Which particular carrier model did this originate from?
From Brian John's input, This appears to be A MkI Mortar Carrier panel.

[Lynn Eades]

The switch,(one more position than the Canadian one) the temp. gauge (capillary tube type) and the Smiths speedo.

[Lynn Eades]

This is a fuze (Probably wrong, Ford 20 amp) and the voltage reducer for the 4.5 volt Ford ignition coil, and the fuze box from my A.O.P. The fuze should be fitted with a 30swg tinned single strand copper wire. Thats the spec from the carrier manual.

[Lynn Eades]

This is just to show the difference between the Canadian, and the British switchside by side so to speak. I note from the wiring diagrams that the headlights are turned on at these switches, but the right hand headlight only comes on by switching one of the other individual switches on the panel as well.
The little toggle switch shown is from an Aust carrier.

[Philliphastings]

That clears a few things up thanks Lynn. Seems some of the parts I have are correct afterall

Cheers and many thanks

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

That was the plan......Be seeing you soon.

[Philliphastings]

I just heard the local Pub is re-opening in about six weeks for meals, accomodation and BEER !

Have you booked accomodation yet ?

Cheers

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

Hi Phillip, I have sent a P.M.

[RichardT10829]

Interesting Stuff Lynn.... hears a question. my original dash panel where the switch board goes in etc had the steel plate on the front as normal however behind it rather than being an oblong hole (like my new one) it had round cut outs for the switch pannel, starter button etc. is this an english panel ? or did they change the way they made them during production ?

[Brian Johns]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

This one has had the horn button hole, and the power plug blanked off. A factory mod. (not all carriers had horns)
Which particular carrier model did this originate from?

Lynn both the instrument panels in our MkI English mortar carriers have blanked off holes for trouble light socket and horn, also the glacial plates has no hole for a horn.

Brian

[Lynn Eades]

Brian, Thankyou for that. Who built your Mortar carriers? Do you think your dash panels are original to the carriers, and if so, we should be able to assume that this one also came from a British built mortar carrier.

Richard, The British Panel I have pictured here is of the same construction as you describe. I have no clue as to whether it is early British and Canadian, or that some British manufacturers made them differentlyfrom others. I suspect that the difficultly of working through a bunch of holes was worse than assembling or reparing a panel that had one large hole it, and by the time the Canadian Ford factory started building them, there was just one big rectangular hole. After sixty years parts have certainly moved around a bit, and why I have started this thread, is to gain a bit of clarity for those of us that are confused by the variations.
So to have other people post their findings, hopefully with pictures, will be great!

[Brian Johns]

Lynn
I think it is, one of my instrument panels is from Sentinel Wagon T80889, the other from another tub I have also by the same manufacturer, which I believe was a 3" Mortar Carrier. My Wolseley 3" Mortar Carrier unfortunately didn't have a instrument panel.

Brian

[Philliphastings]

Thankyou Lynn, Brian and Richard. Just looking through my carrier scrapbook I noted that I have more printed details about instrument panels than anything else about the carrier - no wonder it was so confusing.

I think I have it right in my mind now and will start to put the instruments together in due course.

I know that I can have a new one made but by any chance would anyone have an original Mk1 panel they would be willing to sell or trade for ?

Cheers

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

Stole this pic from Trademe. The guy selling it bought it in the U.K.
I've never seen or heard of a MkII in N.Z.

[Philliphastings]

you're just teasing Lynn...

Mind you is it was a Mk1 panel I might sign up to trade me and have a go at it.

Cheers

Phill

[eddy8men]

just want to say great thread guys, the finer details are rarely covered by publications and it's the little things that often need most explanation.

cheers

eddy

[Lynn Eades]

No problem Eddie. The whole plan is to learn from each other, so we can put our carriers back together, a little more like they were. If everyone adds what they know is correct, we slowly get some clarity in the picture. This is why we need to know just what model our carriers are.
How are you going with your carrier?

[Philliphastings]

Hi Eddy, as Lynn will tell you it's the finer details I like the most. I even try to get the screw heads facing the right way if I can.

So far the this Scout has been the biggest challenge yet to my hunter/gatherer instincts but I'm getting there - not a whole lot is missing from the project now and it seems to have come together by some mysterious series of co-incidences and sheer dumb luck finds.

I would dearly love to be able to post a blog of each part as it is found, restored and ultimately fitted. Maybe Santa will bring me a real comoputer this Christmas.

an enduring database of parts details would be a global asset in my opinion. I wonder if Nigel would conside part three to his carrier books - a comparison of spare parts and their interchangeability...

Cheers

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

Kevin, with ref the ebay auction # 111211420696, maybe it's time I pulled this to the front. The ebay dash panel appears to me to be an AOP panel. Check out mine in this thread. It is wrong for a U.C. carrier because it lacks the bit that holds the gauge at the bottom. Interesting that it carries two part numbers TL 13953 and TL 13954. They had trouble making up their minds.

[RichardT10829]

I thought that weird too... Do both part numbers refer to dash panels Lynn ?

[kevin powles]

Lynn, So an A.O.P. Carrier dash panel, that's rare, not seen a restored one, but is it still not a Universal Carrier?, Do you happen to know why the panel was configured differently to a Brit or Canadian Mk1 standard stowage.

I used to have three of these but gifted two away, also gave a Mk1 Canadian to Richard for his carrier.

[Lynn Eades]

Richard, I don't know the answer. I just noticed two different numbers on the one panel. Maybe an earlier one is modified to a later number?
Another number on it has been cancelled.
Kevin 79 welded Armoured O.Ps (MkIIIw) came to N.Z., 40 of which were later sent to Tonga. Apart from my one, there is one runner here in N.Z, and two bare rebuildable hulls, that I know of.
The only other AOPs that I know of are Nigel Wards MkII here in Australia featured in Nigel Watsons 3rd book (he told me of another Australian MkII) and a late MkIIIw in France also in Nigel Watsons last book.
Your panel has a cut out in the left lower corner. I assume these panels are from the later AOPs like the French one. It IS just my assumption.
So many un answered questions.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Your panel has a cut out in the left lower corner. I assume these panels are from the later AOPs like the French one. It IS just my assumption.
So many un answered questions.

I assume the cut out is to clear a weld where the vertical hull plate meets the horizontal?

[Ben]

On the later panels the left hand side is lower than the standard MK1 panel, this explains why the right hand section doesn't have the seperate drop down section. The notch is to clear the Frame rail that the armour is riveted to.

Kevin could you offer that panel up against a MK1 type to see if the overall height is the same please? this may help in knowing if the left side drops to the height of the MK1 or the right hand side is shorter, or perhaps a bit of both.

That style looks a lot easier to make, I assume that's why it change.

[kevin powles]

Originally Posted by Ben

On the later panels the left hand side is lower than the standard MK1 panel, this explains why the right hand section doesn't have the seperate drop down section. The notch is to clear the Frame rail that the armour is riveted to.

Kevin could you offer that panel up against a MK1 type to see if the overall height is the same please? this may help in nowing if the left side drops to the height of the MK1 or the right hand side is shorter, or perhaps a bit of both.

That style looks a lot easier to make, I assume that's why it change.

Here we go.

[kevin powles]

Lynn, her is a picture from the A.O.P manual, I have two of these manuals, so if someone needs one its for sale/trade.

Kevin.

[Lynn Eades]

Kevin, I have one already. Ben has it at the moment. I also have that picture in the front of the U.C workshop instruction book (Chillwell 63/63)
Kevin; Yes the AOP MkIIIW is a U.C. BTW.thank you for the offer.
Richard: that cut out may have been to clear the frame of a riveted hull (and so may be for earlier AOPs. Nigel Wards AOP MkII might be like these?
Ben; yes it does come down lower, but only by about 20mm. I think the manufacturers had a modicum of user friendliness in mind, by putting the oil pressure gauge, and temperature gauge in front of the driver.(the things you need to watch) Because the individual switches had been eliminated, the CAV switch was raised a bit. With the smaller ammeter under it there was room for the start button, without the flimsy, awkward to make, under slung extention. A production improvement?( The things you tend to only check once) that the British adopted, while the Canadians continued with their current production.
I'm sure there would be more to this. My dash has four CAV type fibre fuses in a block while the earlier carriers had only 1 fuse in a separate fuse box. The early carriers having the extra c/sunk holes in the front armour to take the mounting screws for it.