CFR Request Thread

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by 302Trooper

Would you know the history of CFR 67-08318. This might have been a jeep used for parts at some point.

Thanks so much for the help. I would like to personally thank you on my way through Oromocto tomorrow as I visit my friends at the Armoured School.

Dave

Dave,

I'll check out your parts Jeep for you as soon as I get a chance.

I will most likely be tied up tommorrow with training, but I appreciate the gesture.

Bit of irony that your 38A1 ended up coming from an Armd unit, although, judging by your Avatar, i'd imagine you were hoping for an RCD Jeep. Worked out well for you either way, plus you can put the Recce kit (MG mount etc) on it without being a poser I have collected 3 x 151s now, and still no luck getting an original Fd Engr Jeep. 2 CER never even used M151s, so I was hoping to find a 22 Fd Sqn carcass out this way, but i've given up as most have returned to the earth now. I'm going to find a CFR from a 4 CER M151A2 on the Database, as I know those were all destroyed in situ at Lahr, so I don't have to worry about stealing someone elses CFR.

Scotty

[302Trooper]

Scotty, I was actually hoping it came from the VIII CH as the RCD were in Germany and when I arrived on the driver wheeled portion of my TQ3 all the M38A1's were marshalled to leave the regiment and the new Iltis were arriving. I'll take Windsor Regt and I will track down some friends there and see if they have any pictures of my jeep during its regimental service.

The 151's while I was in Pet were only at the Airborne Regt with the 106 guys if my memory serves me right. The iltis didn't have the capability.

Dave

[Ed Storey]

Did Canada use the M40A1 106mm Recoilless Rifle on the M151A2, I was under the impression that weapon was only mounted on the M38A1.

As far as M151A2 use in Petawawa goes, I know that 2 Field Ambulance used them and 2 Combat Engineer Regiment and 2 Military Police Platoon did not.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Did Canada use the M40A1 106mm Recoilless Rifle on the M151A2, I was under the impression that weapon was only mounted on the M38A1.

As far as M151A2 use in Petawawa goes, I know that 2 Field Ambulance used them and 2 Combat Engineer Regiment and 2 Military Police Platoon did not.

According to the EDR Viewer, the Canadian Airborne Regiment and 2 Field Ambulance were the only users in Petawawa.

This is all of the info relating to 1/4 Ton Vehicles on the EDR Viewer as of today
[EDIT]Sorry, this was also meant to read that requests for CFR Data is limited to the following 1/4Ton ECC's

ECC Codes and Quantities:

M151A2
121401 = Basic = 913
121405 = W/AKEE?? (Only a few of these existed and were all in Chilliwack) = 5
121408 = Cable Layer (Only 1 in the system was in Valcartier) = 1
121411 = TOW Missile Launcher = 9
121412 = TOW Missile Carrier = 2

M38A1CDN
121116 = Ceremonial = 5

M38A1CDN2
121201 = Basic = 616
121202 = W/Winch = 96
121203 = Ambulance = 7
121208 = Cable Layer = 4
121209 = Cable Layer W/Winch = 6
121210 = 106mm RR = 10

M38A1CDN3
121301 = Basic = 457
121302 = W/Winch = 19
121303 = Ambulance = 14
121308 = Cable Layer = 14
121310 = 106mm RR = 62
121315 = Ceremonial Vice Regal = 4

CJ-7
121526 = W/AKEE = 195

Iltis
121501 = Basic = 1995
121503 = Ambulance = 63
121508 = Cable Layer = 77
121511 = TOW Missile Launcher = 6
121512 = TOW Missile Carrier = 4
121519 = W/Tailgate = 296
121527 = MP Kit = 63
121901 = "VW" Iltis Basic (Trial??) = 4
121911 = "VW" Iltis Ambulance German = 1

[Mike Baker]

Scott:

Hilarious - I was about to come on here and ask you if you had a breakdown on which ECC's were which, and like magic here it is already!

I managed to get copies of some of the same printouts that you obtained, and they raised a couple of other questions that I am hoping you or someone else on the thread might know the answer to:

1) How accurate would a Holding Unit History be? The records indicate that my truck (67-07840) was initially held by UIC 0122, CFB Chilliwack. But the Holding Unit History indicates that it was held by 1732 (CFB Edmonton Det Wainwright) from 01-JAN-67 (the default acquisition date for all '67s) until 20-MAY-80. To add more confusion, the Work Order history details only indicate 5 work orders, with the pre-1980 ones being performed by UIC 2208, which was ADM (Engineering and Maintenance). That, I believe, was the predecessor of LETE. Post 1980 the maintenance was performed in Chilliwack. Did LETE or its predecessor have a facility in Wainwright? I seriously doubt the truck went back and forth to Ottawa. My thinking is that the truck started in Wainwright, spent time with "LETE" there and was then sent to Chilliwack in 1980. Does that sound plausible?

2) If the ADM(Engineering and Maintenance) precursor of LETE did have my truck in Wainwright, any idea what they might have been doing with it?

3) Three modifications are listed:

30010000CF003
30100000CF014
30103000CF004

Any idea what these were? I suspect one is the M151 air filter, and another is the windshield washers, but no idea about the third.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Mike Baker

Scott:

Hilarious - I was about to come on here and ask you if you had a breakdown on which ECC's were which, and like magic here it is already!

I managed to get copies of some of the same printouts that you obtained, and they raised a couple of other questions that I am hoping you or someone else on the thread might know the answer to:

1) How accurate would a Holding Unit History be? The records indicate that my truck (67-07840) was initially held by UIC 0122, CFB Chilliwack. But the Holding Unit History indicates that it was held by 1732 (CFB Edmonton Det Wainwright) from 01-JAN-67 (the default acquisition date for all '67s) until 20-MAY-80. To add more confusion, the Work Order history details only indicate 5 work orders, with the pre-1980 ones being performed by UIC 2208, which was ADM (Engineering and Maintenance). That, I believe, was the predecessor of LETE. Post 1980 the maintenance was performed in Chilliwack. Did LETE or its predecessor have a facility in Wainwright? I seriously doubt the truck went back and forth to Ottawa. My thinking is that the truck started in Wainwright, spent time with "LETE" there and was then sent to Chilliwack in 1980. Does that sound plausible?

2) If the ADM(Engineering and Maintenance) precursor of LETE did have my truck in Wainwright, any idea what they might have been doing with it?

3) Three modifications are listed:

30010000CF003
30100000CF014
30103000CF004

Any idea what these were? I suspect one is the M151 air filter, and another is the windshield washers, but no idea about the third.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

The VMO Unit Data seems to be fairly accurate with the Jeeps, but in your case, there is about 7 years worth of info missing. Comparing work orders against the VMO data, looks like it went from Wainwright to Chilliwack in 1980.
Looking at the work orders prior to 1980, in the sub heading it says: Maint Coy ASU Wainwright. The Admin Engr/Maint bit seems to be the generic nominclature info for Base Maint, as nearly all have that heading, mine included. I think your Jeep was also part of the Base Tpt Veh Pool while it was in Wainwright as no lodger Unit was listed in the Maint logs. One repair was also performed in Calgary. The Powerpack was most likely changed in 84, as 16.5hrs of "Corrective" work was performed on it in that entry.

Rob Love may chime in as to what the actual Mods are, as I only know what the M151A2 Mods translate to.

Scotty

[Matthew Reid]

If some one has a chance could they look up the following.

It is for an Armstrong MT500 (well M50 actually) Motorcycle.

Not sure of the year.

The only tag I can find on the bike has the following info.

Engine number 193843
Frame number EC0059


Thanks in advance Matthew