Mystery Shifter in M38A1CDN2

[Mike Baker]

Originally Posted by rob love

I have never seen a PTO control mounted in the spot you show. Normally they are through the small plate that is just before the location of your park brake handle.

The winch brackets on the front of the vehicle are not stock either. And since there is green paint over your PTO lever, the vehicle has been painted since it's entry into civilian life. My money says the crash pad and windshield were add ons in it's civilian life. There were windshield frames available in the system right until disposal of the fleet, made by Mil-Quip (formerly Automobiles Rene Gagnon)

In that case I'll be very interested to say what ICBC says about previous registered owners. This truck was disposed of by the CF in Chilliwack in February 1987, and has been in the back of a garage in Cobble Hill (on Vancouver Island) since at least 1988. The previous owner said that she and her husband picked it up in Vancouver (and definitely not Chilliwack), so it may have had an interesting year or so. Thanks for the info.

[rob love]

When you get a chance, show us what the extra lever attaches to. It should be a gearbox of some form on the back of the transfer case.

[Scott Bentley]

One other point that supports the PTO being put on post auction is that your ECC is for a regular 38A1 and not the "With Winch" version.

Scotty

[Mike Baker]

Got an opportunity to spend some time under the truck tonight, and discovered that the extra shifter is attached to (...drum roll...) a Warn Overdrive. Could also explain the reversed e-brake handle.

Pic attached. - in the first you can see the overdrive level behind those for the transfer case. In the 2nd is the overdrive itself, with the rusty rod for the e-brake in the foreground. The 3rd is an overhead shot of the e-brake handle.

[rob love]

I thought thats what would be there. And there is no way the army would put that on there. Maximum speed in those days for a SMP vehicle was 50, and the Willys could easily do 55 and even 60+ if the wind was going the right way.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Mike

Around here the OD is what everybody wants for their Jeep little better road speed and a less frantic sounding engine.

But I have a second question, my `49 Lincoln has an overdrive and it needs both a mechanical engagement as well as an electrical one of the reasons is the car won't backup with the overdrive engaged (the electrical speed sensor and solenoid auto disengage the OD below 23 MPH) how does the Jeep OD work with only a mechanical engagement lever or does it have the speed sensors as well?

Cheers Phil

[Mike Baker]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

But I have a second question, my `49 Lincoln has an overdrive and it needs both a mechanical engagement as well as an electrical one of the reasons is the car won't backup with the overdrive engaged (the electrical speed sensor and solenoid auto disengage the OD below 23 MPH) how does the Jeep OD work with only a mechanical engagement lever or does it have the speed sensors as well?

Speaking as a layman, I think a Warn OD just changes the gear ratios, so it can be used in any gear - even reverse. Is your Lincoln an early automatic? I think most automatics nowadays are like that too - OD only engages at highway speeds.

What I've read thus far on the Warn is that it is highly sought after by early CJ5 owners because it increases fuel efficiency, especially with mudder tires.

So the more I discover about my own truck, the more I am thinking that whomever bought it at auction in '87 started to convert it into a mud buggy but never finished. So while I would not have bought an OD to install myself (it isn't my daily driver), I will probably leave it on now that it's there. Few outside this forum would know that it isn't supposed to be there, anyway.