Humber FV1611(A)

[FV1611A]

Originally Posted by fv1620

Wayne here is the drawing made for cutting the main side. Obviously different for a FV1609 from a FV1611. As you will appreciate it is difficult take measurements for something that is in thin air. The net result was errors of an inch or so as something wasn't right with the angles, giving a deficiency one end & surplus the other



The result was to build the frame & feel happy with that then to cover it & cut it down to shape. Without the skill or equipment to spot-weld & I had no MIG at the time, I cheated by fixing the outer sheet to the wheel arch with countersunk rivets which were eventually smoothed over with filler. I just didn't want to risk melting through or buckling the thin sheet.



Given my propensity for reversing the Pig into various obstructions, the lockers on a frame have proved more durable & easier to repair than a more authentic series of flimsy sheets held together with spot-welds.

Yes various bits of CES & other kit could go in the lockers, no specific space allocations. Unless you keep it under cover from the rain there isn't too much you would want to store in there given the points of entry for water & worse on yours as you have another hinge.

Incidentally the picture of it in red oxide, the top lockers hasps were just from B&Q & are surprisingly close to what was originally fitted. The small side locker is original with its original hasp that is far enough away to pass as being the same. The crudely welded domestic hinges have been criticised, but as you realise when you look at yours these are entirely original fittings that were on the NOS lids I was lucky enough to have.

The bits I had were mainly front wing under locker support pieces & I think perhaps part of the locker internals. There was the top side hinged piece & I think in Reading the main side wall that it attaches to over the wheel arch.

PS You will see my comment to the metal cutter to make the cuts a bit wide in case the geometry was wrong! This proved very worthwhile, even so I was still short along one edge but by tilting it I was able to get full coverage for trimming down. On reflection I should have just order a more basic shape to give me plenty of spare to play with. All I wanted was to have sheets that were of a manageable size that could be fixed to the frame to give support & enhance the quality of cut. Having rigid support like this it was quite easy to cut it into shape with those very thin angle grinder discs.

Clive I am guessing that your front lockers were intact and that the same attention was not required and therefore none of your informative photos available?

[FV1611A]

As can be seen the front wings/ lockers are badly perished and the rear off side locker/ locker arrangement is of a similar end.

I would imagine the hardest part will be the front lockers/ arrangements to replicate?

[fv1620]

Wayne, my wings although a bit buckled & rusted in corners were remarkably good. I replaced the locker lids which were a bit dented. The NOS replacements were of a later type. The discerning eye can identify that because on the hasp hinge the ratio of hasp width in the hinge itself to locker portion of the hinge changed making it less likely to fracture at the hinge. But with practice you can spot the difference.

The main portion of the wing should be easier to fabricate than the lockers. What you have to watch is that the locker hole has an everted lip to reduce water ingress. Never likely to be entirely successful in that the locker has a drain hole.

The main underneath ribbing for the wing is provided by two U channels spot welded on. On the Mk 1 it is cruciform & you will usually see this pattern from hollowing on the top where people have stood on the wings. Mk 2 had the same up to the point that a replacement was needed, with no locker it is a slightly thicker material & the two channels run parallel. You can see this on the left of the third picture.

The gubbins pieces supporting the lockers are a nightmare, but there are some usable/patterns here.

[FV1611A]

More great pictures and thank you. I must confess I hade no idea how much hard work you had done to FV1609.

I have seen the X reinforcement under the wing on the air intake side as it is intact and I have rested on it peering into the engine bay before. The nearside one is Kerry Packered I must admit! I have seen the stepped edge on the locker lids and wonder from your description if this coincides with a slight projection to the liner insert that is the locker bin itself so that the lid 'nests' over the upstand to prevent weather ingress?

I have highlighted what can just about be seen to be an upstand where the arrow is pointing?? But I am speculating.

[fv1620]

Yes the everted edges of the locker orifice mate with the raised lid profile. This what you have identified.

Classic car body restoration suppliers have a range of hand operated bending gadgets which might do the fancy bits. For simple bends I have one of these. With care you can do a long run or dismantle for small pieces as it comprises 3 pieces of unequal lengths. Looks better than the vice marked metal on one piece & a "hammered effect" on the other!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/150mm-SHEET-ME...item2c592c4d93

[FV1611A]

Thats a clever little impro for a bench vice! The only limitation would be sections only 150mm wide / long. Another option could be a small gauge angle profile that can be tack welded underneath as the angles can be purchased a small as 12x12mm or even 10x10mm / 3/8"x3/8".

I will end up doing some simple fabrication drawings as a master to fabricate from so will share these with you once they are done!

Regards

Wayne

[fv1620]

Wayne I have a large B&Q not far away that is useful for small quantity metal products. It beats wasting half a day driving into the city to queue up at a trade counter where they don't want to sell diddley quantities to the public anyway.

Besides if you overbuy in B&Q you can take it back for a refund. But I have learnt not to do that, as excess bits will always be needed for something eventually. You're too young to know about this, but some of us get 10% off on Wednesdays

With the exception of brake pipes, I also get my plumbing there.

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Originally Posted by FV1611A

Thats a clever little impro for a bench vice! The only limitation would be sections only 150mm wide / long. Another option could be a small gauge angle profile that can be tack welded underneath as the angles can be purchased a small as 12x12mm or even 10x10mm / 3/8"x3/8".

I will end up doing some simple fabrication drawings as a master to fabricate from so will share these with you once they are done!

Regards

Wayne

If I have to bend sheet metal I do something similar with my bench vise and a big hammer. The limitation I have to accommodate is the depth of the vise's jaws. But for the man who needs more toys, that one would be just the ticket!