70s-80s 3 Color Camouflage Discussion

[rob love]

Here is my UFI on some of the various paints illustrated. The NSN of 8010-21-870-XXXX on the 1977 manufactured can Eric shows gives it an adoption date of approx 1976. This was simple paint....it was neither IRR or CARC.

The can of PPG made paint was the IRR stuff introduced around 1980. The stock numbers for that paint, off the top of my head, was 8010-21-880-9729, 30, and 50 for the 3 colors of cam. Also available in the same series of paint with a NSN in the same range was a semi-gloss green (NSN ended in 9732 I think but I can't be sure). If someone was using the old fiche to order their paint, it was easy to mistakenly order in the semi gloss, and the troops would/may have applied it instead of the olive drab. There was a great article on the IRR paints in one of the LORE digests from that period. I have a copy back home.

In the mid to late 80s, the epoxy paints briefly appeared. The can that Eric shows is an example of this. If I remember tomorrow I'll look up the NSN range of 8010-21-898-XXXX to get a more exact date. These paints were used at the factory on the Iltis I believe, and ended up giving some serious health effects. We were not allowed to weld, sand or grind an Iltis without first removing the paint on the area by use of strippers. This was due to the isocyanates in the epoxy paint. In the meantime, the IRR paints continued on. Around 1990 there was a Cdn CARC introduced, but it ended up being withdrawn before I could even get any in. We ended up going back to the IRR from the early 80s. In the early 90s the cam patterns for the B vehicles was canceled and the B vehs were to be painted n the flat green color, or it' CARC equivalent. By the end of the 90s, production of the IRR paints ceased, and we were using the US CARCs. With the introduction of the water based CARC in the last few years, Canada followed suit.

There, thats my UFI on paint. The photos shown in this thread are good in that they really show the various paints and manufacturers from the 70s, 80s and into the 90s.

[Scott Bentley]

Rob, Thanks again for this info.

If you look back through the many pages in the Post-War Forum, this topic just like CFRs and Comms, seems to come up every few months. I was hoping we would put all these concerns and details in one place and maybe even Sticky the Post like the CFR Request Thread.

[Scott Bentley]

I've updated the Iltis Tub Colour Chart:

[Eric B]

Hello Folks

Here are some more paint cans.

Not my photos, found on the web, sorry unable to give credit to whom took them. These are CARC.

The M38A1 photo is from a RCA web page and clearly there is a lighter green, These look like they are newly painted for the parade as well.

The last photo i beleive is one of Ed Storey's photos again, but i could be wrong. I apologize if i am wrong.

It is a hand painted M100 trailer and the paint does not look like it has faded to much. Another light green.

Thanks
Eric

[Scott Bentley]

Eric,

When you look at virtual sea of correctly painted vehicles behind that A1, I'd be inclined to think something was wrong with the paint on it. I remember the troops painting an APC Dozer Blade at 2 CER with Canadian Tire Semi-Gloss Forest Green as the original paint was all wore away. Looked horrible.....

To me it would be like some collector seeing a photo of it with the Forest Green paint and then saying it was correct even though the lads were dead wrong to paint it like that.

As far as those trailers go, they sure do look alot like the Flat Olive Drab on the MLVW I posted up top.

[Eric B]

Hello Folks

Here are the codes for the diagrams shown earlier on.

Note these are dated January 1975

The earlier photo for the M38A1 in Germany with the light green in 1968 pre dated the later pattern. Therefore there is a different camouflage. The pattern might have remained the same but there were different colours.

There was a light brown used in the Prairie Provinces, white in winter and the lighter green.

Hopefully somebody might be able to find these instructions somewhere with the colours.

Thanks
Eric

FMCO 21-4

Paint
The following code numbers identify the paint available in the CP supply System

a. Black
NSN: 8010-21-576-1987
Colour Code: 512-301

b. Green
NSN: 8010-21-576-2538
Colour Code: 503-319

c. Olive Drab
NSN: 8010-21-870-7533
Colour Code: 503-321

[strat1]

I still have paint samples avail. If anyone is still interested send me a PM:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ht=paint+chips

Anthony

[rob love]

An old thread, but since many will use it for reference, I suggest that the reference to 503-321 as being FS34087, although it will give good contrast, is not correct. A recent check of the NSN for the 503-321 olive green showed me that the Canadian military started using FS34084 as the Federal Spec for the paint colour after Canada dropped the CGSB specifications.

So I would humbly suggest the following:

Black 501-310: USe a flat black like the oil based tremclad or any suitable flat black

Flat green 503-319: Use the CARC or Carc substitute of 383 green

Olive Green 503-321: Get paint mixed to that colour of 503-321 or FS34084, or, as I did, get some of Brian Asbury's paint which is matched to the original 503-321. Failing those, use the Gillespie FS34087, available from RAPCO or Willys acres.

[Al Dornan]

Does anyone have the pattern for the m100 in 3 colour cam. I am about to paint and can't find my book

Thanks Al

[rob love]

Go to here for the trailer pattern: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...d.php?p=239210