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Old 24-04-11, 17:30
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Default Cheep tools the bane of mechanics

Hi Bob

Think I have at least 5 tubing benders, none of them are really good for all applications, in particular when you have to bends close together. I've looked Eastwood's but have not ordered one so let me know which one you get and how you like it.

With a few very notable exceptions most of the discount auto parts tools are not as good as older tools. When I'm visiting auto flee markets I always have my eyes out for older tools in good condition particularly the old Craftsman and Snap-on tools every now and then I find some real good buys on tools which have hardly been used or well cared for.

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Old 24-04-11, 19:48
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Hi Phil

In the bending department I have the coil benders, a plier type with different changeable center core mandrels, and the Jet model from China..... and youa re right they all have there use...... the jet with the 4 size fits all.... a gove for the 3/16 - 1/4 - 3/8 was my most popular and good producer..... but afetr two trucks worth of SS and some 3/8 I may have exceeded it's life span and it broke. the new one I got free as replacement does not seem to be as tight fitting as the older one..... that's why I will go back and rummage in all the boxes they ahve to see if one is not a better fit.

The one from Eastwood I am intereste din is the $37.99 model that will do 1/4 - 3/16 - 3/8 ...... which seems to be strudier construction.

The ultimate would be models from Swagelock..... over $100 each and for only one size..... so you would need at least 3 to cover the 3/16 vacuum lines, the 1/4 for brake and fuel and the 3/8 for PCV line.

Good idea on the flea markets.... in fact we will be attending the Sterling one weekend.... first big one of the season.

Caught Rob doing some stiching this morning on his HUP....

............ and pictures of wild turkey eggs ...... about 200 feet from where Rob is grinding....... don't seem to scare them.....the hen will come back every day until she hasa cluthc of 12 or so eggs.

Now this is a Hammond wild turkey...... not to be confused with the ones working on CMP trucks..... yet to take a picture of the latest member of the Hammond barn.

Bob
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Old 25-04-11, 01:11
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Default Tube bending

My dad was in LAME in the RAAF during the war and regularly used tube filling methods to bend hydraulic lines together with a tube bender. There are several methods of doing this ,some that I am aware of are Bismuth (melts in boiling water) Cerrobend I think is its commercial name. Frozen soapy water also works they tell me and I have even heard of packing with sand but not sure how it would work.
Has anyone here tried it I have some bismuth from another project and keen to give it a try.
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Old 25-04-11, 05:25
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Default Easter Egg Hunt at the Barn

Easter Sunday - I should have been in church, but contented myself with Hammond's place of worship - the barn. This morning I had the barn all to myself.
Bob took advantage of the nice weather today to commune with nature. As mentioned above, there is a resident turkey (yes, a real wild one) nesting nearby. While Bob was on his wild turkey hunt, I continued to find new ways of screwing up simple welding tasks. The probleme du jour was "blow through". Some of my tack welds were blowing holes into the metal I was trying to weld. Bob suggested that he wind may have a hand in the problem, so a simple wind block was used - actually a recyling bin with a large chunk of metal in it. That solved that problem.

After a morning of welding and grinding, Brian Francis dropped by. He had some time to kill between trips back to Kenya, so he lent a hand. Brian finished off the welding job for me - a well-appreciated break. We chatted about the dents and dings in the sheet metal and he mentioned that he had a tool designed for just those problems. On his next trip to the barn he will demonstrate its use.

The afternoon was spent finishing off the welding and cleaning up. Bob stopped to see who I was talking to (actually he thought I had gone mad and was talking to myself). After greeting Brian and catching up on his adventures, Bob headed home for Sunday dinner. This was my cue to wrap things up and go home to face the dreaded "honey-do" list. You can't have pleasure without knowing pain...

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2 - Driver side weld
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Old 25-04-11, 15:34
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Hi Phil

In the bending department I have the coil benders, a plier type with different changeable center core mandrels, and the Jet model from China..... and youa re right they all have there use...... the jet with the 4 size fits all.... a gove for the 3/16 - 1/4 - 3/8 was my most popular and good producer..... but afetr two trucks worth of SS and some 3/8 I may have exceeded it's life span and it broke. the new one I got free as replacement does not seem to be as tight fitting as the older one..... that's why I will go back and rummage in all the boxes they ahve to see if one is not a better fit.

The one from Eastwood I am intereste din is the $37.99 model that will do 1/4 - 3/16 - 3/8 ...... which seems to be strudier construction.

The ultimate would be models from Swagelock..... over $100 each and for only one size..... so you would need at least 3 to cover the 3/16 vacuum lines, the 1/4 for brake and fuel and the 3/8 for PCV line.

Good idea on the flea markets.... in fact we will be attending the Sterling one weekend.... first big one of the season.

Caught Rob doing some stiching this morning on his HUP....

............ and pictures of wild turkey eggs ...... about 200 feet from where Rob is grinding....... don't seem to scare them.....the hen will come back every day until she hasa cluthc of 12 or so eggs.

Now this is a Hammond wild turkey...... not to be confused with the ones working on CMP trucks..... yet to take a picture of the latest member of the Hammond barn.

Bob
Bob..
I have the good refrigeration tube benders ..different sizes..theree in one 1/4"...5/16ths...3/8ths..etc..and single benders ..I also have electrician hickeys..tube benders for 1/'2 thin wall conduit for bows for backs..of trucks..
Give me a call.
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Old 26-04-11, 03:52
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Default Three Days in a Row at the Hammond Barn!

Wow! I owe my dear wife a debt of gratitude for letting me escape the drugery of domestic chores over the long weekend. Although today was a short day, any time at the barn is golden in my books.

Most of the time was spent in cleaning up and in organizing parts for the next phase of the "never-ending HUP adventure". Once I offloaded the back of the HUP, I went through a dozen coffee cans of miscellaneous parts - some of which had been hiding from me for a few months. Next was a good spring cleaning consisting of a brooming followed by a blast of the air hose. It is amazing how much crap gets tracked into the vehicle over a winter.

After a quick lunch in situ, I joined Bob and Joyce for their trek to the turkey nest to view the progress the Hen was making in the egg count. Not much to report on, but we did find a freshly killed skunk - actually, we smelled it before we saw it.

Back at the barn Bob and I discussed our upcoming adventure on Saturday - the Hammond Trio will be heading west to seek for that which was lost - elusive CMP parts. After a quick clean up, we parted company to prepare for the upcoming work week.

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Old 06-05-11, 00:43
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Finally! Some time to breathe. Now that the election in Canada is over (but not the whining from the lefties) and the pace at work has slackened, I have some time to play catch-up.

Last weekend, on Saturday morning Bob, Grant and I piled into Bob's truck at stupid o'clock in the morning to ensure that we got to Stirling Ontario for their swap meet/flea market/show and shine. We got there early enough to get a prime parking space near the entrance to the show. It turns out that it was a good thing getting there early. The second vendor we went to had a pristine one gallon POW oil can just sitting there. It was snapped up immediately for the princely sum of $10.00. A few other treasures were picked up by the boys, and they can chime in if they so desire to do so with their finds. I also got an oil bath breather for $5.00 and other little bits and pieces.

The Stirling show was very interesting as it was way smaller than the Barry Ontario shows, and for the most part, the vendors had local goods to swap/trade/barter/sell. Stirling did not offer up any CMP specific items, but we enjoyed the trip to Stirling immensely.

On Thursday this week, Ottawa and region was hit by a strong wind storm. Thursday was paper recycling and garbage day. The wind made a hell of a mess. A few of us collected the garbage that a few of our neighbours couldn’t be bothered to pick up. The winds were strong enough to topple some trees and to blow off patches of shingles on more than a few roofs. Small potatoes compared to the natural disasters in other parts of the world.

Sunday was spent fixing the damage caused by the Thursday wind storm. One of Bob’s shelters actually moved. The frame of the shelter was bent and a few legs broke free of the heavy boxes used to anchor the frame. A number of the feet at the end of the frame legs were broken and required repairs. After returning the anchor boxes to their original positions (about a foot of movement happened), Bob and I restrung the tarps on the shelters. Overall, the damage was quite light compared to the barns that got blown over just north of Bob’s place.

Since the sun was shining, Bob decided to fire up the sandblaster to clean up some CMP parts. While Bob was having a blast, I continued my HUP parts search for some rare sliding window flanges. Things are coming along nicely at the barn. More later.

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1- Bob's shelter in the foreground, my shelter in the background - post windstorm
2- Bob doing something to the sandblasting hood
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Old 06-05-11, 04:41
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The day after the wind storm a neighbour who has a direct line of sight with the canvass garages near the barn told me that the canvas garages where hovering above the ground and flapping around like crazy.

I grinned and thank him for the graphic is not somewhat exagerated description. His large BBQ on his deck was lifted and thrown into his patio door....did not break the glass but wrecked the screening.

Well on closer inspection last weekend with Rob I discovered that he may have been right. For stability and for added head room we usually build wooden boxes from 2x8 two feet long and fill them with gravel/sand before nailing the last piece shut. The results are wooden boxes that are ten feet long about 8 inches square and two guys can hardly move them by hand... we usually use the bucket on the tractor and straps. So each canvass garage has two of them on each side....... anchor plates at the bottom of the steel vertical steel pipe structure are bolted to the boxes with 2 inch lag bolts.

The wind was strong enough to lift the whole tent...some boxes had sheeared the lag bolts, broken the base plate and/or been turned on their side and were moved sideways from the original location by at least 2 feet. Most of the 1/4 cheap nylon rope had either snapped or ripped the eyelets out of the canvass.

What saved them.... what kept them hovering and not going in orbit.... just for the hell of it I had tied old section of 3/4 inch manila rope to the cab 12 stored inside and over the ridge pole of the shelter.... and tied loosely at that.

What the neighbour saw was the tent floating in the air off the ground held back by the rope on the inside.

Conclusion...... if you have something heavy stored inside a canvass garage... tie the garage to it... front and back..... it would take strong wind to move a cab 12....

Some houses just across from my street...recently built in the last 4 to 5 years had significant damage when huge section of roof covering was blown off.... luckily we had no damage on the house or barn.

Ah the pleasures of living in the country !!!!!!

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Old 06-05-11, 14:05
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Bob,

what you experienced is a common problem called "uplift".

Any structure has the ability to have that effect if air can get into it or under it.

Even a pole barn open on all sides can be lifted, hence the need for "hurricane ties" in any structure to tie it together.

Seen too many structures that are poorly built and building inspector has missed that detail.

Your "sheds" are "temporary" so fall outside the building code.

You were lucky to keep them in place.

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