Handing it down

[Chris Ford]

Hi Robert thanks for the helping offer,

So can your guys duplicate Betamax? If so, do they have any means of boosting a sound signal or filtering the noise - at least one of the five tapes needs some help I think. If not, what about subtitling? Although I couldn`t figure out what was being said, it`s possible somebody in the know could figure it out. I`m not sure how much of the seminar`s sound needs to be improved - I guess I`ll just have to watch it all to figure that out.

My wife pointed out something interesting to me last night . . . in trying to get rid of my dad`s CMP, I`m learning more about them than in all the ten years I spent trying to keep it . . . hmmm

-Chris Ford

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Chris Ford

My wife pointed out something interesting to me last night . . . in trying to get rid of my dad`s CMP, I`m learning more about them than in all the ten years I spent trying to keep it . . . hmmm

-Chris Ford

Go on Chris, keep it.... you really should!

[Howard]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Go on Chris, keep it.... you really should!

I second that motion... All those in favor say "I"!

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Go on Chris, keep it.... you really should!

Peter will be so pleased to see his son..grand kids..great grand kids..great great grand kids riding and driving around in his old Ford...
Chris..You will never find another like it..ever..!!
You will rue the day you ever sold it..if you do..
Keep it..
My .02....Canadian...$00.02.

[r.morrison]

Hi Guys: Spoke with Kevin today about this little dilema. At this point, I wasn't sure what we had to work with. Now I know it's a Betamax tape. He has mentioned today, that there are studios here that can eliminate noise frequencys and even mentioned the Law Enforcement Agencies that have equipment to hopefully eliminate some of the problem(s).

So, just clarify with me....it is a Betamax Tape. If so, how many do you have and if so, are any of these the original tape? And who has these tapes? The more info you can give me, the easier it will be to give you a possible answer.

We do have our connections with the Law Enforcement Agencies here (in an honest way!) so if we have to, we can connect with them.

Get back to me with the info and I'll see what I can do. Cheers...Robert

[Chris Ford]

Hello again, I apologized for the infrequency of my communications as well as the length when I do . . .

In April of 2011 a couple of things occurred: I facebooked Bill Trbovich, producer of the 1984 seminar about our interest in re-releasing the tapes and I breathed my last free breaths of having only one child. Shortly after Emmet Ford was born and he just started sleeping normally about a week ago!!

This month two MLU relevant issues presented themselves.

1. For a myriad of reasons I decided to sell the rental property with the garage where my dad's CMP was being stored. It sold immediately and the truck must be moved by March 8th (incidently my dad's birthday). I contacted Marilyn Gurney, President of the Organization of Military Museums of Canada (OMMC) who forwarded my willingness to donate the truck to a museum. I received replies from: New Brunswick Military History Museum; The RCA Museum in Shilo; EME Museum (which I don't know where it is); saskatchewan military museum (which is new, and I don't know much about); Canadian Militaria Preservation Society (http://youtu.be/QDfMighZEiU); and The Calgary Highlanders Regimental Museum and Archives.

I was wondering if y'all had thoughts about these establishments. I remember my dad speaking of Shilo fondly. I have interest in the truck staying in Sask. and perhaps helping out a fledgling museum, but wonder about it's long-term durability. In general I wonder if a museum will take the truck but never show it.

Colin, you had offered appraisal services. I have attached three pics. The hood is the cab, but can easily be put back on. I would be very thankful if you would be willing to share your knowledge here. In terms of mechanics, I believe the master cylinder for the brakes needed to be replaced and the it had been suggested to sleeve the brake lines. The fan belt is loose and both water pumps leak. The engine starts easily and runs great. (I find that incredible for a 70 year old truck with few tune-ups. - take that Honda!)

Do museums want the truck in running condition? Do they keep it that way? Would it be worth fixing the mechanical stuff before donating?

2. The other development, and the one more related to this thread:Bill Trbovich got back to me! Here's what he had to say:

Boy does this bring back memories. Let me put things in perspective for you. The CMP seminar you have a copy of was shot on Bill Gregg's farm in Rockwood Ontario in the rather large barn where he housed his collection. The cameraman who shot the seminar was Jim Reid who has since passed away. The seminar was shot on Sony 3/4 inch tape and dubs were made at BonKen Productions on behalf of my company, Trbojay Productions Ltd. I was still working for CBC Television when the seminar was shot and soon went to Global Television shortly afterward. My ex business partner, John Harris worked as the commercial producer for Global at the time and Ken ..I can't remember his last name..was John's editor. The reason the seminar was shot on 3/4 inch tape instead of betacam (the then industry standard), was because Ken did not have access to betacam editing gear. Still the quality was quite good but if remember correctly sound could have been a problem because we did not have a large operating budget, so a dedicated soudman was not possible.
If I recall correctly, quite a few of the participants were key people involved in Canada's military production during the war, so it was worth recording. Bill Gregg donated copies of this seminar to the Canadian War Museum as well as the Royal Canadian Artillery Museum at CFB Shiloh Manitoba when he donated his entire collection in the late 1980's. Bill unfortnately passed away but his wife Caroline still resides at the family farm in Rockwood. His son Andrew is still involved in television as well and they may have copies or the original. Beyond providing copies at the seminar participants, I did not distribute the seminar to anyone else. As to the new generation not using beta tapes, everything now is put on DVD. I have no problem making the seminar available to a new audience . I think it would be a great idea.
However before you emabark on any duplication, I would appreciate seeing your copies and perhaps I can arrange to have your copies re-edited, digitally enhanced and hopefully correct the sound problems. Video production has come a long way since this seminar was shot.
I considered Bill Gregg a good friend and I have fond memories of your father too. I met Bill during my days as a reporter at CKCO television in Kitchener and my passion for building models of armour and Bill's thirst for knowledge on anything WW2, especially Canadian, made for a lasting friendship. I did subsequent stories with Bill when I worked at CBC and again at Global. If you're embarking upon reissuing these tapes, let’s do it properly, for Bill and your Dad.
I would like to be involved since my name is on it. Thank you for making me aware of this.
All the best,
Bill Trbovich
IAMAW Director of Communications

So supposedly the Canadian War Museum as well as the Royal Canadian Artillery Museum at CFB Shiloh Manitoba have copies of the seminar - maybe one of them is the original. Perhaps they still have them. I can contact them to find out. It sounds like Bill would like to help make them available.

-Chris Ford

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[Keith Webb]

That sounds very encouraging and I'm sure the MLU community would be happy to pay for copies on DVD once it has been enhanced as far as possible.

3/4" tape was used as an acquisition medium for many years before the 1/2" formats such as Betacam and then Betacam SP and digital Betacam came along. It was in two formats - low band and high band which was known as BVU.

It tends not to age very well as the oxide tends to separate from the backing leading to lots of drop outs and clogged heads so even if the original were available it may not be very viable which means the best available may well be copies on VHS or Betamax.

Let's just hope something watchable can come of this - it is indeed historic, with Sid Swallow, one of the original designers of the CMP range being a participant.

[David Dunlop]

Well Hello, Chris!

It's so odd I was thinking about you guys and your Mum the other day and wondering if your old address in Saskatoon was still on the Ford Family Map.

That would be great fun to see the Seminar again. I roomed with your Dad during that get together and recall he and Bill being in discussion early in the event about the sound issues. I think they did get it resolved by the second half of the event. I also recall an evening activity with slides and casual chatter, with someone keeping us very entertained with stories about the operation of the Ford Lynx, and Ferrets in Australia.

I believe the Commandant from CFB Bordon attended and the event included a tour of the Borden airfield, Training facilities, armour collection and I think even the Medical Museum, which was across the street from Worthington Park. The Commandant used to bicycle to get around base and it was parked at the front of the Admin Bldg with his pennant on it.

I also seem to recall a formal dinner, somewhere in Hamilton perhaps, with a very nice 25 per on the lawn outside.

Very best regards, Chris.


David

[Phil Waterman]

Hi David

Yes then Colonel James Hanson commandant Camp Borden attended the entire seminar, I remember hearing him comment concerning the discussions about North Africa and the need to quickly modify equipment, they are talking about lessons the Canadian Army has learned and forgotten and will have to learn again.

Colonel Hanson retired from the Canadian Military as Brigadier-General Hanson.

Cheers Phil

[David Dunlop]

Hi Phil.

I went in and had a look at the photos on your site. Nice job, but who are all those young people???


David

[Stew Robertson]

NOW us old people!

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

I also recall an evening activity with slides and casual chatter, with someone keeping us very entertained with stories about the operation of the Ford Lynx, and Ferrets in Australia.

I have only just picked up on this thread and although the post above is now 3 years old, I may be able to add something.

David, I believe that the person entertaining you with stories of Ferrets in Australia was the late Dave Brown, an AMVCS member from Sydney. I know he was at the seminar as I recollect him telling me about it some 15 to 20 years ago and have seen him in a group photo.

[Chris Ford]

Hello folks,

After 6 years of not having enough free time and 6 hours of searching today (it was literally in the last and farthest buried box - and I had almost lost hope of finding it...

I was finally able to post the first part of the CMP '84 seminar on youtube. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zivENLfZcb4

I had previously dubbed half of the whole series onto a dvd, but my computer won't recognize that, so I redigitized today... and it took a couple of hours to upload, but it looks like it is there and working. The sound for this segment seems fine. I believe it is later parts where the sound gets a bit sketchy.

I hope to put up the others soon.

Enjoy!

[Keith Webb]

Absolutely wonderful, can't wait to watch it. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this Chris! Are you happy for me to share it to my CMP Facebook group as well?

Originally Posted by Chris Ford

Hello folks,

After 6 years of not having enough free time and 6 hours of searching today (it was literally in the last and farthest buried box - and I had almost lost hope of finding it...

I was finally able to post the first part of the CMP '84 seminar on youtube. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zivENLfZcb4

I had previously dubbed half of the whole series onto a dvd, but my computer won't recognize that, so I redigitized today... and it took a couple of hours to upload, but it looks like it is there and working. The sound for this segment seems fine. I believe it is later parts where the sound gets a bit sketchy.

I hope to put up the others soon.

Enjoy!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Excellent Chris! Thank you very much for doing this. This community is endebted to you for saving these tapes and putting them online.

Our challenge is now to put names to the faces and maybe produce transcripts.

Best regards,
Hanno

Originally Posted by Chris Ford

Hello folks,

After 6 years of not having enough free time and 6 hours of searching today (it was literally in the last and farthest buried box - and I had almost lost hope of finding it...

I was finally able to post the first part of the CMP '84 seminar on youtube. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zivENLfZcb4

I had previously dubbed half of the whole series onto a dvd, but my computer won't recognize that, so I redigitized today... and it took a couple of hours to upload, but it looks like it is there and working. The sound for this segment seems fine. I believe it is later parts where the sound gets a bit sketchy.

I hope to put up the others soon.

Enjoy!

[Chris Ford]

Keith - Yes, I think the link should be shared with the CMP facebook group.
Hanno - I am very happy to help the CMP group preserve this history and knowledge. I found it amazing to hear from those who were there from the beginning describing how it unfolded.

The video for reel 2 is ready. You can youtube search "CMP seminar" or use the link below:

https://youtu.be/Dg3Ow_yqt9g

I added the panelists names in the video description of video 1.

Although the sound has not yet been enhanced, I figure, just get em online, ASAP, and more skilled technicians can perfect it later.

I may have found the original tapes - I have 2 UCA 60's - One with the label, "Stills for CMP Seminar 84" in which there is a sheet of paper listing all the still photographs in the videos and another with no title - which could be Expo '67, or Montreal Olympics for all I know. I have no machine that plays this sort of 1 inch videotape. Anyone??

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Chris, haven’t seen it all yet but it is very good to see and hear those CMP household names: Sid Swallow, Peter Ford, Bill Gregg, Bart Vanderveen, and then some.

I am sure audiovisual experts could improve the quality of the recording. I am sadly not that person. But I am very happy you got that footage online!

Hanno

[David Dunlop]

Hello Chris.

Thanks for doing this amazing work for us. Took a quick look at the first reel and was gob smacked to see and hear your Dad’s opening speech. I roomed with him during that event and recall him fine tuning what he wanted to say at the motel the night before.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I think we got a list of attendees while we were there. I met Phil Waterman from the USA there and I am sure Australia was represented as well.

A bit of a long shot perhaps, but it might be worth checking with your local CBC TV Station about the UCA 60 tapes. Everything is digital now, but I cannot imagine they have converted all of their tape archives, so they may be able to point you in the right direction for assistance.

I cannot recall if your Dad was still smoking a pipe at the time of the conference, but do recall the plumes of smoke he was capable of producing were directly proportional to his level of excitement over CMPs!

David

[Chris Ford]

Thanks David. The images from your descriptions bring me a large smile.

That's a good idea about checking with CBC... their markings are on the cassette!

Reel #3 is now up. https://youtu.be/je2FeuUCSBE
Reel #4 is also now up. https://youtu.be/dtDhnMqkBIY - the first time I watched any of reel 4 - it's great! The sound doesn't seem to be a problem, and the stories are not just informative, but fascinating.