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20-12-11, 13:25
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74 pattern jeep, rollover jeep, or disposable jeep. These were the terms used by everyone in the military I ever dealt with back then. M151A2 was only seen in the technical publications, and the term MUTT was totally unheard of.
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20-12-11, 15:40
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Armoured Recce Symbol
Gents, this symbol is not a wheeled or tracked based one, its based on the task performed. When the Coyote replaced the Lynx the tac symbol did not change since the task did not. And since we no longer have actual Recce Regiments which could use the pure Recce symbol, just embedded Recce Squadrons in an Armoured Regiment, this modified symbol is appropriate.
As a "Recce Dog" in the Strathcona's we taught the Militia jeep Recce every summer. This started during the M38A1's final years (and the end of the '74 pattern jeep) with the switch to the Iltis. We used to paint out the tac symbols at the beginning of the course (they were not worthy) and then upon successful completion of their Recce Crew Commander's course they could paint them back on. Your right its a pride thing, but once back at the unit...who knows?
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#4
20-12-11, 17:09
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I'll add my 2¢ to the discussion on the tac sign. In my teen years I was light recce with the FGH. If memory serves, we used the oval with the one diagonal bar. It also seems to me that we had the two small bars on top, and put the initials of our unit to the right of the symbol. Pretty much all the Western reserve units did it the same way.
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#5
20-12-11, 18:13
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Tac Sign
Poor Chris!
Chris; look for photos of 1H jeeps from the time but if the oval makes you feel good go for it! The little wheels underneath were never used on vehicle tac signs just in map marking. The pictures that Jim posted are exactly the ones we were issued. Its interesting that the jeep pictured looks like a "51 pattern" (hi Ed!) M38. It didn't matter, as all 'jeep' like vehicles (M38 family, M151 family) got slathered with the same pattern by young soldiers under varying degrees of coercion and with varying degrees of enthusiasm! That's why I frequently use exterior latex house paint for top coating... easy on, lasts a long time , easy cleanup and cheap... also hold brush marks well for that authentic slapped on paint job!  If you want to really capture the look, consider using an old mop to apply the paint!!  You haven't discussed call signs yet. About 6 inches tall, a simple font like "Arial" and usually two digits and a capital letter- ie: 22C. On jeeps these were under the doors or in the area just ahead of and below the windshield on each side. I can recite from memory all the Herbie (Gunner) call signs but check with a Zipperhead like Jim or Daryl to confirm the armoured recce C/S. Cheers! Mike
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20-12-11, 18:42
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In our unit the call signs were never permanently applied. Usually they were just put on with chalk the day of the ex, since you could never count on which jeeps would be available, or which drivers would show up.
Even today you can usually tell a reserve force MLVW from a regular force MLVW by the lack of callsigns on the doors.
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20-12-11, 19:42
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Temporary C/S
Good point, Rob: The only vehs in 71 Bty with permanent C/S were the gun tractors, the CP (command post), and, I think, 29's (the Battery Commander's) jeep. Most other vehs were borrowed from the Third Herd (3RCHA) for weekend ex's.
(parentheses added for the jargon impaired! )Cheers! Mike P.S: Rob: amazing work you're doing on the 105mm C1!!! I bow in admiration and jealousy! 
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Mike Calnan Ubique! ("Everywhere", the sole Battle Honour of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery) www.calnan.com/swords
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