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Old 29-12-11, 12:58
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Well,

The roads were not great with the left lane of the 401 snow covered at Gananoque when I got on but by Prescott it cleared up a bit.

Arrived in Cornwall and the city streets were snow covered, it was minus 8 degrees c at this time and the wnd was blowing fairly hard.

Once at the unit the first challenge was to open the yard gate as the padlock was frozen so out with the small propane torch to thaw that out.

The officer in charge of the Armoury met me and we went to the back yard and he started an LSVW to get it out of the way.

While we were waiting for the tilt n load tow truck we used some straps and shackles and a rental forklift (awaiting pick up from a previous unit event) to gently lift the front of the carrier, resistance was futile and the vehicle lifted out of the ground bringing with it a great big lump of frozen ground under the tracks on both sides.

A few minutes later the tow truck arrived and moments after that James and his mate John arrived with a coffee for me! What fine service.

For Shaun in the UK we present a picture of the carrier in motion an myself in suitably gruby winter work wear!

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Old 29-12-11, 13:06
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The tracks did move and the vehicle did roll up to a point but then stopped, I think the extra frozen mud jammed the track under the shroud which is what happened.

Anyway the pulling continued and the carrier slid up the deck and we were at a point that the deck could be lowered. At this point I was thanking the good lord for not having to get down and dirty and split track in the cold, that was something I did not want to do.

Next we lined up our trailer and the tow truck to do the cross decking operation.

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Old 29-12-11, 13:14
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We had two options as to how to cross deck, we could place a pulley block in the centre of our trailer secured by a chain and pass the winch cable underneath and back to the carrier but instead elected to slide the tow truck deck over our trailer as far as it would go and cross chain the carrier to our trailer and slide the deck forward out from underneath the carrier.

We did this slide operation twice at least and got the carrier onto the trailer, notice the clods of frozen ground which we would have to address.

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Old 29-12-11, 13:20
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So, being as how i'm getting older, and hopefully smarter, we suggested to the unit officer that he allow us to back our truck and trailer inside the Armoury and do the clean up and tie down in the warm, as any idiot can be uncomfortable!

This was one the better moves of the day, I do have to say.

We used the forklift and lifted each side in turn and flailed the lumps from the track and cleaned the deck of the trailer as we went. I did not want any crud flying off through someones windshield as I went down the highway.

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Old 29-12-11, 13:32
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Robin

I have been following the thread with great interest. It is always good to see how recoveries are made. I have been on a few recoveries of WW2 Blitz trucks lately and love the the whole thing. Thanks for posting the photos it gives us all a lesson on what we can do.

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Old 29-12-11, 13:35
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As I am not a Carrier expert, James kindly took all of these photos, as someone else had to work, snapped some detail pictures for those of you who are just dying to see what this vehicle is and has.


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Old 29-12-11, 13:39
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I have to split them up because of the forum protocols on pictures

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Old 29-12-11, 13:42
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And some more

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Old 29-12-11, 23:21
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Well done Robin, what a nice write up as well. Being British Army i will stick to TEA, now you have transfered to the colonies you are with in your rights to drink "Coffee". Its seems to have done the job and stopped you from freezing is some nasty weather. Good effort !!!!

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Well,

The roads were not great with the left lane of the 401 snow covered at Gananoque when I got on but by Prescott it cleared up a bit.

Arrived in Cornwall and the city streets were snow covered, it was minus 8 degrees c at this time and the wnd was blowing fairly hard.

Once at the unit the first challenge was to open the yard gate as the padlock was frozen so out with the small propane torch to thaw that out.

The officer in charge of the Armoury met me and we went to the back yard and he started an LSVW to get it out of the way.

While we were waiting for the tilt n load tow truck we used some straps and shackles and a rental forklift (awaiting pick up from a previous unit event) to gently lift the front of the carrier, resistance was futile and the vehicle lifted out of the ground bringing with it a great big lump of frozen ground under the tracks on both sides.

A few minutes later the tow truck arrived and moments after that James and his mate John arrived with a coffee for me! What fine service.

For Shaun in the UK we present a picture of the carrier in motion an myself in suitably gruby winter work wear!

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Old 30-12-11, 00:09
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i still say £7k is about right for a very complete carrier, the hull is easy to sort out the hard part is getting all the other bits together. as to shipping, i imported a carrier from the states last year for under £3k most of which was the cost of the 20ft container. import duty was only £200 as it's a classic vehicle but i've got enough rust to be getting on with so this ones not for me. (i reckon kevin could hide another one from his wife)

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Old 30-12-11, 04:23
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Happy to hear you made it home in one piece Robin. Thanks for posting your plans to the forum so that John and I could join up with you to witness the recovery and chat it up.

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Old 30-12-11, 11:57
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i know of a carrier purchased in Toronto a three years back, Mk1 i think.. was chopped but lower hull was very complete with good drive line cost the chap £3000 GBP to purchase and return it to his garage, that includes freight and duties. But with these things price fluctuates massively, bearing in mind a few years back folk still had money to spend. if this carrier is to go up for sale i would give the following humble advice

1) A dealer will always offer you less than a private sale.

2) Europe will command a higher price than the US or Canadian sales.

3) If you are selling over seas advertise it on Milweb.net perhaps offer a package to get the unit to a specific port in with the price as long as the unit is sold within a specific time frame.

4) dont be pursuaded to break the hull and sell the spares you will end up with a tub minus its wheels and tracks and selling the other bits could take some time.
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