Protec Khaki Green No.3

[Slava]

Did this "Nr 3" use on English production vehicles only?
How about Americans?
Especially Macks?

[Bob Moseley (RIP)]

Hi Slava - this was the colour used in Australia in the early 1940s before variations of Olive Drab came into vogue. Most American trucks I have seen were a deep bronze green.

Bob

[Slava]

Hi Bob!

I had my question not quite by chance.
I met a note in a book about military Mack trucks that model LMSW of 1941-42 was painted at factory British Khaki No.3.
It was stranged me because all another trucks in the book described as Olive Drab or Coronado Tan.

[Mike Cecil]

Colour depended on the contract. Mack trucks supplied under British purchasing commission (BPC) contracts were painted in Brit standard camouflage green, while those for US contracts were completed in US Deep Olive Drab.

Upon arrival in Australia (Australia recd Lend Lease vehicles by 'bidding' against supply contracts placed by the BPC, who decided who got what of the available vehicles), they were painted overall at the time of their assembly by the Australian assembly contractor. The Australian Govt issued a Contract Demand for assembly of CKD vehicles that included a paint specification. The paint spec for those assembled in Oz was invariably Khaki Green No.3 as the base colour, of which there were two 'shades' during the course of the war. Specs also included a disruptive colour if required for a particular vehicle type.

Mike C

[Slava]

Too interesting Mike.
May be I'm not so good educated in questions of a shipement, but you noted CKD. I know only PartlyKD. What this "C" means?
And what is the second color of British standard camouflage green?
I'm in interest of Mack trucks mostly and red about Coronado Tan color for vehicles with destination of Australia.
Vlad.

[Mike Cecil]

Hi Vlad,

CKD = Complete Knock Down, ie boxes with the major unit assemblies packed inside.

Interesting you have a ref for 'Coronado Tan': perhaps that equates to the Khaki Brownish colour found on some CMPs, too? Will have to look into that further. My post was, of course, a broad generalisation: there were exceptions.

Mike C

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

CKD = Complete Knock Down, ie boxes with the major unit assemblies packed inside.

To be more precise, may I quote from an earlier posting:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

CKD packs were not made up from previously assembled vehicles broken down for shipment, but basically they comprised the necessary numbers of subassemblies and parts for a given quantity of chassis. So the receiving assembly plant could mix 'n match components to whatever configuration was needed (this would also explain data plates with only chassis and contract numbers). Availability of components most likely played a role in how batches of trucks were put together to fill orders.

(*) CKD: Completely Knocked Down. CKD should not be confused with trucks being encased, after first being 'knocked down' as much as considered practical. CKD was restricted to destinations where the manufacturers had proper assembly plants. CKD entailed the supply of parts which could not - or not economically - be produced locally, supplemented by parts which could. Besides packing methods for trucks that had to be reassembled on arrival, the CKD-pack method was also used but this entailed parts and components which had not been assembled before and then dismantled for shipment. They comprised the necessary numbers of subassemblies and parts for a given quantity of chassis which would be assembled in much the same way as it was done in the Canadian factory.

Usually large trucks like the Mack were not shipped CKD, only partly knocked down. Read the articles on this subject in Wheels & Tracks magazine.

H.