Mystery Lynx

[chris vickery]

Rob, it was not my intention to suggest that we license collectors; rather it was YOUR wordage with regards to the CWM being Guardians of OUR History...

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by chris vickery

Rob, it was not my intention to suggest that we license collectors; rather it was YOUR wordage with regards to the CWM being Guardians of OUR History...

From a governmental due diligence point of view, yup! That is what the CWM is supposed to do. If you look at it from a black and white point of view, if the CWM has one of whatever we used in the military in the museum, that does the trick.

I too get emotional over inanimate objects and believe that we should be able to live in a "free" environment, but sometimes one gets organic stuff all over one's rose coloured glasses.

In this case, the world's most powerful nation is calling the shots, and we as ordinary Canucks have no recourse. Perhaps if a former government of Canada had played by the rules in the past, we wouldn't be in this pickle.

BTW, having logged more miles in M113s than I wish to remember, I won't miss them. Others will, but lamenting the effects of iron-clad legislation will only result in making the Guinness dissappear faster.

Alternatives? Howsabout a nice Brit 432? They almost smell the same on the inside...

[Gordon Yeo]

Rob has a good point, the U.K. and Europe are awash in surplus military equipment that can be had by throwing money at it. If people really want armour they could buy some and we wouldn't have to listen this constant angst about what we can't have.

[chris vickery]

OK, so we agree to move on... Has the collector community at large come to realise that what mvs we do have in private hands are now going up in value?
Case in point; over the years the collector market has had a constant influx of vehs to satisfy our hunger. Take any WW2 milsurp right up to the Iltis. It seems now that many of the "less desirable" mvs will surely find fashion once guys wake up and find that getting into the hobby will be increasingly more difficult. I would hazard a guess to say it is just a matter of time before the bureaucrats decide to tighten things up with regard to imports....

[Perry Kitson]

I think the point that is being overlooked here is that these same vehicles (M113's, M113 C&R, aka Lynx) are in the hands of private individuals and non govermental museums in the US now. Even the US government is not as stringent as ours when it comes to military vehicles in private hands.

Perry

[Gordon Yeo]

Quit right Perry, there is a M113 for sale on armyjeepsnet/armour site, at the very affordable price of 137,000 US$. Makes a FV432 or BPM-1 look affordable and no worries about spares, since all the scraped M113 parts are not for public consumption.

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Perry Kitson

I think the point that is being overlooked here is that these same vehicles (M113's, M113 C&R, aka Lynx) are in the hands of private individuals and non govermental museums in the US now. Even the US government is not as stringent as ours when it comes to military vehicles in private hands.
Perry

US vehicles in the US are a horse of different colour. The 113 family has been around since the early '60s, so some were bound to be "collected" well before ITAR and other unilateral treaties. The US is probably confident that its law enforcement and military might will keep the peace at home. It is another story abroad. So how do you reduce the risk of blasé foreign governments selling off US kit to US belligerents? Making proper disposal a mandatory requirement in all foreign military sales works well.

Not good news for those of us afflicted with the OD collector's bug, but a good management plan by our US brethren.

Now our Russian friends are less worried about this issue - I am sure you can find proof of that.

[Perry Kitson]

The point I am making is that I believe our government places EXTRA restrictions on these vehicles. There are a few US M60's in private hands in the UK, Leopard 1's in Germany, M548's for sale to the public in the US, exportable to Canada, (all in the last 6-8 years) but the Canadian government will not sell surplus 548's here. Virtually every European nation bound by ITAR regulations has sold "home grown" and in some cases foreign vehicles, to private collectors and dealers in their own countries. But Canada will not allow AVGP's into private hands, or for that matter MLVW's. Even spares for the M113 family, automotive and running gear, can be had from surplus dealers (SECO in Georgia). I can speak from experience that most of the trouble in acquiring armour, even our former enemies armour, is from the paranoid folks in Ottawa.

Perry

[Casey B]

I did a little looking at whom was the hauler for the intended scrap salvage man and it was a hauler hired in Montreal by Ottawa for the purpose of moving the vehicles to their new destination...along with hauling sheets of aluminum for Columbia remtec based out of Montreal as well as Vancouver BC.
makes one wonder how a hauler can haul for the government and along on the same trailer there are two separate shippments?
I would think the governmnet is paying to haul the extra sheets and the company is getting it for free?
I know this is off topic now as the thread has gone very political. being from the west the other side of the rockies we often get forgotten way out here.

On the museum question what about the other Museum...The AV Roe...the one that has to beg The Canadian public to vote yes on television to stay open...what is happening with that?
Any talk of amalgomation of the two?

Never having been to any of them as it is waaaaay across our vast country and costs less to fly to Europe than Toronto I am not able to find the extra cash to take in any of the museums that we seem to have.
Our little museum is strugling to saty a float right here in the now defunct Chilliwack former CFB base. The only thing keeping it alive are donations from people want ting to veiw it and volunteers that help out as I do. All the vehicles are privatley owned so the government can not regualte that...for now.