Wake Up Australia

[Ryan]

Have a look at this page.

http://www.visitvictoria.com/Informa...n-centres.aspx

This is the offical government website for Melbourne. Look at the information list to the left, third heading down.
Christians must be a minority now.

Not being anti, but if your going to cater for one, and a minority at that, you should cater for all.

[Dianaa]

Except outside of the bombing of Darwin in WWII, IIRC Vietnam was the first conflict where Australians fought under the Australian National Flag. Prior to that we fought under the Union Flag of the UK and the UN Flag in Korea.

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Except outside of the bombing of Darwin in WWII, IIRC Vietnam was the first conflict where Australians fought under the Australian National Flag. Prior to that we fought under the Union Flag of the UK and the UN Flag in Korea.

It matters not what the flag looked like, it was still Australia's flag.

[Mike Cecil]

Dianna,

Perhaps a rethink about the statement 'except outside of the bombing of Darwin in WW2....'. Broome? Sydney? Various other places bombed repeatedly across Northern Australia in WW2? Besides, I seem to remember the National Flag wasn't actually officially proclaimed until the 1950s, although it existed from just after Federation.

Of course, Australians, particularly since the latter part of WW1, have always fought as a National entity, responsible ultimately to the Australian Government, rather than being spread as individual 'reinforcements' within other nation's armies. Even the RAAF personnel in the UK in WW2, although mixed with other British Commonwealth nationalities, were there by agreement, and were still responsible to RAAF command and Australian government control.

Mike C

[malcolm erik bogaert]

well said Bob..how about leaving Australia and comming over to the UK we could with somebody like you as Prime Minister instead of the gutless wonders we have..good on yer mate regards malcolm

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

Dianna,

Perhaps a rethink about the statement 'except outside of the bombing of Darwin in WW2....'. Broome? Sydney? ...

Mike C

Hi Mike

In Bob's original post is the line "Every Australian died for the Australian Flag". It's the sentiment that our troops fought (and died) for the Flag, its a myth, they fought not to let down their mates and they fought for the country, and they mostly they did it under a flag that was not our own. They would have done the same whatever was the design of the cloth at the top of the staff.

My comment about Darwin, was to reflect that only on Australian shores or in Australian territories was the National Flag atop the flag staffs during fighting. Maybe I should have said it that way. Yes Broome, Darwin, North West Cape and other places were bombed and mostly fought back. But only Fort Scratchley actually fired back (fought) at a Japanese vessel at sea and in Sydney Harbour the Allied vessels would have been flying the White Ensign of the UK and Commonwealth navies or the US national flag.

The Canadians seem to have had no problem changing their national emblem, and the US proudly flies "Old Glory" emblasoned with 50 stars over USS Arizona when the flag of WWII had only 48 stars representing the 48 continental states (which excluded Hawaii and Alaska which had not gained statehood).

Why is it that only in Australia do we get so passionate about retaining a design that includes the Union Flag of the UK subjugating a quarter of our national emblem and using a myth to justify it?

By the way the idea that we are losing our country to political correctness or to appease peoples from other countries, is something that annoys me every day, but we should support our stance with the truth and not by creating myths. (This is one case where I do have an opinion.)

Diana

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Hi Mike

...Why is it that only in Australia do we get so passionate about retaining a design that includes the Union Flag of the UK subjugating a quarter of our national emblem and using a myth to justify it?...

Diana

Diana

Sorry to hear that your ties to the UK is a myth. On the serious side, is there an actual movement to change the design of your national flag? Or, is this a personal pique?

We in Canada went through that exercise in the mid 1960s, but the driving force to provide a new flag was to obtain a rallying symbol for all Canadians. The choice of the design is a story in itself, but in the end we got a new flag that disarmed separatist sentiments about our former flag, and gave all Canadians a distinctive symbol for which we remain proud of. There was a hell of a fight to retain the former flag, but our political circumstances demanded a solution, and thus our new flag was born.

Bruce!

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Diana

Sorry to hear that your ties to the UK is a myth. On the serious side, is there an actual movement to change the design of your national flag? Or, is this a personal pique?

We in Canada went through that exercise in the mid 1960s, ...

... Bruce!

Hi Bruce

Did we have ties to the UK? I know that we have Queen Betty I, Queen of Australia who seems to be the same monarch that the Brits call Queen Elizabeth II!

Yes there is a real movement to change the flag, but momentum for change waxes and wanes but the motivation is very similar to that in Canada without the Québécois.

Personally I acknowledge our historical ties to Great Britain, and watching the US system, very glad we don't have to elect a President, but feel that Australia should have it's own national symbol, like Canada did in the '60s and what Canadian would wish to return the the former emblem today?

This is my point, the flag, whatever its design only represents the nation, it is not the nation in itself and to the point of this thread most Australians who fought and died didn't actually die for the flag but did it for their mates and for the country we love.

Diana

[sapper740]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Have a look at this page.

http://www.visitvictoria.com/Informa...n-centres.aspx

This is the offical government website for Melbourne. Look at the information list to the left, third heading down.
Christians must be a minority now.

Not being anti, but if your going to cater for one, and a minority at that, you should cater for all.

I don't know how this is all going to end...the upside down world of political correctness and Progressives where bad is good, ignoble is noble, evil is righteous but I'm here to tell one and all that the pendulum is about to swing the other way...real soon. I don't know what the tipping point will be...Obama getting re-elected, another Operation Fast and Furious...but the simmering pot of patriotic fervor is just about at the boiling point here in the U.S.

[Lynn Eades]

Derek I dont follow what you are trying to say

[Private_collector]

I think the people are revolting!

[Lynn Eades]

I want to say thats what I thought, but I never thought of that. Very clever!

[sapper740]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Derek I dont follow what you are trying to say

Google "Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, Lightsquared, the DREAM act, Eric Holder, Dodd/Frank Act, Chevrolet Volt, 1st and 2nd Amendments, and Fisker, just to start." You'll see why we're preparing to kick some Liberal ass in this country.