Wake Up Australia

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Diana,

Very interesting. I served my country for over 20 years and I can state that my mates and I saw our flag as inseparable from our country. Our flag represents more than a geographical location - it represents our way of life, our families, our friends and our ideals.

I can't see how you can separate the flag from the country. Then again, I am not a liberal so these fancy notions escape me.

Is your point based on something you read, or did you serve or are you serving in the military? On what do you base your hypothesis?

Interestingly it seems my opinion is only valuable if I wore a military uniform, well no I didn't, but that is not the point is it, I wore a uniform in civilian services for more than 35 years and had my country needed my nursing services in a battle zone overseas I would have signed up in a second. Many of my generation were too late for Vietnam and even though many joined the military very few actually served anywhere but Australia, so what does their practicing to defend the Country make their service any more valuable than my service in the front line of trauma and emergency saving the lives of Australians. And if you would like to know I represented the people of Australia working for the United Nations but no I never faced any bullets.

My hypothesis is not that the National Flag is not a symbol worthy of honour, but IMHO like Canada I feel we deserve a flag which identifies an independant Australia, not something that has the Union Flag (its not a jack unless its on a ship) occupying the most important 25%.

[hrpearce]

I'm a forth generation Australian Grazier in my mid 50's and I dont want the flag to change. My ancestors came from England, Scotland, Wales and France.
To me the flag represents where I came from 1/4 and where I live in freedom 3/4.

[chris vickery]

Wow, talk about a post going off on a tangent...
I thought that the intent of this post was to point out your politicians favourism toward immigration (immigrants) and their rights and needs over those of native born sons?
Wake Up Australia might as well be called Wake Up Canada.
I believe that the UK based Paliamentary system that all of us Colonials live under is seriously broken.
We have all the same complaints as you lot, same being said by our brethren in the UK.
The UK and their social tolerance policies began in the 1960`s and the country has gone downhill ever since. The problems that they faced in light of being PC are just becoming to be known to us. I would say that Britain would have been a good example of ``lessons learned``, but in spite of the economic and social problems faced internally, Canada and Australia decided to jump on board with the hogwash policy of political correctness.
Derek pointed out that people in the US are starting to boil; I believe it to be the same case here in Canada as well. Being typical Canadians, we tend to play our cards close to the vest but, I truly believe that many of my fellow countrymen have deep seated angst for the abuse we suffer from the government as native born sons.
Just to show my point, the city of Toronto is approx 3 million persons. According to a recent census report, it was stated that the population is made up of approx 51% immigrants. Now considering that our political system uses representation by population, this equates to the possibility that one day foreigners will be dictating our values....Also, it used to be that within our system, the Liberal party was ususally the go to vote for immigrants. It has got to the point that within these communities, immigrants are fielding political candidates within all 3 major political parties. So alas, voting Liberal is not necessarily a vote in favour of supporting more immigration. By infiltrating the Federal government and stacking the House, it is quite contemptable that one day soon we will be the minority...

[Marc van Aalderen]

Same problem in Holland. Too many immigrants, legal and illegal, getting into all sorts of crime. Worst thing the Dutch Authorities ever did was giving Dutch citizenship to children of immigrants born in the Netherlands. now we can't even kick them out when they commit crimes cause they are Dutch!

I think this pollitical correctness does not work at all. Some people are waking up though. Even in Government. There now is talk that immigrants who commit a crime can be sent back to where they came from.

Cheers,

[chris vickery]

Don`t get me wrong, we are all immigrants or descendants of, here in Canada. My personal beef regards placing foreign ideology, customs and beliefs upon MY culture ahead of that of natural citizens.
My grandfather emigrated as an orphan with nothing at the turn of the century as a Bernardo Home Child. He made a good life for all with a lot of hard work and determination and never asked anyone for a handout. The rest of my family came over from Ireland and Germany and did the same.
Truth is, Canada and our system, like that of other Commonwealth nations, was based originally upon Christian heritage common to the UK. Take a look at our culture, our laws, our beliefs, morality, values, and our governmental structure. There is a place for immigration within our borders, albeit by our rules. We should make no apology for the way we behave within our nation. All that we ask is that newcomers do the same, abide by our rules and be part of our society. I find it suprising that so many want to come here and change everything, rather than embrace a new found freedom.
Anyone remember the old saying, when in Rome, do as the Romans do?
Afterall, I am sure my WASP heritage and ideology would not be endorsed in many places on this earth, hence a reluctance to venture there.

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by chris vickery

Wow, talk about a post going off on a tangent...
I thought that the intent of this post was to point out your politicians favourism toward immigration (immigrants) and their rights and needs over those of native born sons?
Wake Up Australia might as well be called Wake Up Canada.
I believe that the UK based Paliamentary system that all of us Colonials live under is seriously broken.
We have all the same complaints as you lot, same being said by our brethren in the UK.
The UK and their social tolerance policies began in the 1960`s and the country has gone downhill ever since. The problems that they faced in light of being PC are just becoming to be known to us. I would say that Britain would have been a good example of ``lessons learned``, but in spite of the economic and social problems faced internally, Canada and Australia decided to jump on board with the hogwash policy of political correctness.
Derek pointed out that people in the US are starting to boil; I believe it to be the same case here in Canada as well. Being typical Canadians, we tend to play our cards close to the vest but, I truly believe that many of my fellow countrymen have deep seated angst for the abuse we suffer from the government as native born sons.
Just to show my point, the city of Toronto is approx 3 million persons. According to a recent census report, it was stated that the population is made up of approx 51% immigrants. Now considering that our political system uses representation by population, this equates to the possibility that one day foreigners will be dictating our values....Also, it used to be that within our system, the Liberal party was ususally the go to vote for immigrants. It has got to the point that within these communities, immigrants are fielding political candidates within all 3 major political parties. So alas, voting Liberal is not necessarily a vote in favour of supporting more immigration. By infiltrating the Federal government and stacking the House, it is quite contemptable that one day soon we will be the minority...

Chris...When I was growing up in Halifax in the '50's and '60's the population was about 80% White..19% black and 1% Asian..if memory serves correct..
Every one was a Canadian..The Blacks were descended from British slaves released in Halifax by their British masters in the early 1800's..the Chinese ..Immigrants that came to Canada to build the railways in the mid 1800's..
And everyone got along and we all joined the military and were good Canadians..
Now..Canada is ????White ....????% Black ......????% Asian...and 50% Brown....
The problem is that the second and third generation immigrants still are dual citizens for their old country's that they have never been to ..but where their fathers or grand fathers came from and they still hold on to all the old traditions and laws and idea's from their old past lives..
2nd and third generations..!!
They will never be Canadians..Canadian by convenience only..
Sneak back to their old country's ..get arrested ..expect Canada to bail them out and fly them home to Canad the then sue the Canadian government using welfare lawyers and welfare checks to sue Canada for the mistreatment they suffered in their old countries...
PC Bullshit..
I'm so cranked it wants to make me PUKE>>>
Get rid of the lot..If they protest..and I see it here in Ottawa because the embassy are all here ..If they don't like what is going on in their own Country's ..they storm their embassy's in Ottawa ..then sue the Canadian government for not straightening out the shit that is going on by the dictators that are running their country's ..
and it will continue....

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Interestingly it seems my opinion is only valuable if I wore a military uniform, well no I didn't,..

Dianna,

You raised the issue using soldiers as examples. Don't worry though, soldiers whether serving or retired, are used to folks using us for their own gain. Good luck with your quest.

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Dianna,

You raised the issue using soldiers as examples. Don't worry though, soldiers whether serving or retired, are used to folks using us for their own gain. Good luck with your quest.

Ron

There is no gripe and I have nothing to gain and certainly not on the backs of soldiers.

As I said in my earlier posts Aussie Soldiers fought under the Union Flag for more than half of the last century, if there was an Australian National Flag present it was always with the Union Flag atop the main flagstaff. Both my Grandfathers fought under the Union Flag, one a RAE sapper on the Somme and one a RAAF pilot officer with the RAF.

[malcolm erik bogaert]

Dianna you are quite wrong on one point the lands in Scotland were not gifted to the English toffs at all rather the establishment in London took the sons of the old chiefs and turned them into English Gentlemen! In some cases they were much worse than the old enemy as regarding the clearances etc...however one plus point in all this is.that the colonys benefited greatly by the influx of good highland stock...best regards malcol m

[motto]

Those who hold a grudge against the Poms for past misdeeds should also remember that the people represented by that flag virtually stood alone when the NAZI juggernaut looked like realising the dreams of the insane criminal/s running the show.

I for one am not ashamed to be associated with them and have no problem with the Union Flag being in the corner of our own. It is not a symbol of domination, it merely represents our roots as the Southern cross represents where we are now. What may be or is yet to come is in the blue. At least that's the way I see it.

The Canadians changed their flag because they had to to mollify the separatists. I see no good reason to change our own. I like it the way it is.

As far as the aboriginals and their grievances are concerned, just one question to throw a different light on the subject. How would they have fared if the Japanese had overrun the country? We all know the answer to that one. It's about time they took responsibility for their own future instead of blaming the evil white man for all their problems. They will never get anywhere until they do.

David

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Ron

There is no gripe and I have nothing to gain and certainly not on the backs of soldiers.

As I said in my earlier posts Aussie Soldiers fought under the Union Flag for more than half of the last century, if there was an Australian National Flag present it was always with the Union Flag atop the main flagstaff. Both my Grandfathers fought under the Union Flag, one a RAE sapper on the Somme and one a RAAF pilot officer with the RAF.

An eloquent defence for the current flag.

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

An eloquent defence for the current flag.

But seemingly not adequate for our cousins the Canadians to keep the Union Flag in their canton.

[cliff]

OK enough about our different flags & flag history has been said so can we please leave the comments at that now

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by cliff

OK enough about our different flags & flag history has been said so can we please leave the comments at that now

Cliff, I hear you. Baiting will cease on my part, tho' it was fun!