surplus army vehicles

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

... and go bankrupt. Then the receiver comes in and to try to recover the debts the reciever has to sell the assets, the buckets, to us as the highest bidders. The company that took the contract from Crown no longer exists and can not be held responsible.

The Cdn government retains all rights, ownership and responsibility until the disposed object is destroyed in accordance with related agreements and policies. You may not like what is happening but that is the way it is.

This was covered in detail in another thread.

[Gordon Yeo]

We need a flogging dead horse icon.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

This whole topic of the how and what will be surplus here in the States has been drawing a lot of comment in our MV Club. In that given the current rules or practices much in the way spare parts is being scrapped instead of sold.

The big concern in our club is that the smaller MVs ones which would be practical for someone starting in the hobby are drying up. With only the larger true military vehicles coming through. With only the occasional smaller sized like the odd Pinzgauer slipping through. The concern is that in a few years only the lightly militarized version of basically civilian trucks will be the only thing we will see.

Cheers Phil

[Hans Mulder]

Here's the posting:

https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?...1&sf=ferm-clos

And the language:

Closed Bidding

Item:3,100,509.0000 kg(s) of M113 Demilitarization and Scrap Metal Sales Upcoming requirement requiring mandatory Controlled Goods Registration (CGR) certification - Register now!

Note that no bids will be accepted for this posting, as it is just to provide information on the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) mandatory requirement. *Bid$: (per kg(s) ) By clicking on "Enter Bid" I agree to the Terms and Conditions for this Sale.
*Please note that on Period Contracts you may place a bid with up to 4 digits after the decimal (e.g.:$1.0001)

Information
Item: M113 Demilitarization and Scrap Metal Sales


Note that no bids will be accepted for this posting, as it is just to provide information on the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) mandatory requirement. Closing Date: 25-February-2012 @ 11:05 a.m. EASTERN TIME Remaining: 14 days 20 hours 52 minutes Deposit Required: $0.01 Quantity: 3100509 (kg(s) ) Description: M113 Demilitarization and Scrap Metal Sales


Note that no bids will be accepted for this posting, as it is just to provide information on the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) mandatory requirement.

We have an upcoming requirement where the bid solicitation will include controlled goods information or technology and the bidder will have to be certified, exempt or excluded under the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) before receiving the bid solicitation, attend the bidders conference, and the successful bidder issued a contract. If you are interested in the requirement, visit the following website to obtain registration details and forms http://ssi-iss.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/dmc...strtn-eng.html. Note that it takes at least 45 days following submission of all required duly completed documents to the CGP Office, to obtain the certification under the Controlled Goods Program.

Furthermore, please contact the following Crown Assets Distribution Sales Representatives to obtain an email to be submitted to the CGP Office along with your Justification for Registration.

Eric.Vanasse@pwgsc.gc.ca or
Raymond.Touchette @pwgsc.gc.ca

Brief Summary of Requirement:
The requirement is for the demilitarization of the Department of National Defence (DND) surplused M548A1, M113A2, M577A2 vehicle fleet and additional components and subcomponents, and the sale of approximately 3,075,059 kg of scrap. It is anticipated that the listing will be posted on the GCSurplus website on March 14, 2012 with a bidders' conference on April 11, 2012 and a closing date for submitting a bid of April 20, 2012.

These vehicles will be destroyed and subject to specific CTAT and ITAR certificate requirements for each vehicle, components and spare parts as required. The scrap metal generated by the demilitarization will be sold by the kilogram. This requirement includes the removal of canvases, plastics, batteries, spall liner removal or shredding, grease removal from track tensioners, the emptying of fire extinguishers of CO2 and the removal of any other items not compatible with the disposal of metal and a danger to the environment. The requirement also includes drainage of all liquids, petroleum products prior to scraping metal by crushing or shredding.

Photo on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_ar...sonnel_carrier

Estimated weight of scrap metal by type.
Aluminum and alloy scrap (v53434828), 2,170,356 Kgs (70%)
Iron and steel scrap (v53434811), 465,076 Kgs (15%)
Non-Ferrous metal scrap (v53434827), 77,513 Kgs (2.5%)
Copper and copper alloy scrap (v53434829), 77,513 Kgs (2.5%)
Waste material, 310,051 Kgs (10%)

M113 Demilitarization and Scrap Metal Sales

Note that no bids will be accepted for this posting, as it is just to provide information on the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) mandatory requirement.

Images There are no images for this lot/itemClauses There are no Special Clauses for this lot/itemLocation of Asset(s): .
. , QC
Contact : Raymond Touchette
819-956-7235
raymond.touchette@tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca
Sales Rep: ERIC VANASSE
514-283-9898
Eric.Vanasse@tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca
Payment and Removal: PAYMENTS - The Purchaser agrees to make any payment requested by the Minister within 1 calendar days from the date of such request and prior to removal of any of the property.

REMOVAL - The Purchaser, upon acceptance of this offer by the Minister and after payment in full has been received by the Minister, shall at his expense, pack, load and remove the property by the date indicated on the Bill of Sale or, if no date is shown, within 0 calendar days after the date the Bill of Sale is issued. Sale Account: K1MO003016

[Dianaa]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

The Cdn government retains all rights, ownership and responsibility until the disposed object is destroyed in accordance with related agreements and policies. You may not like what is happening but that is the way it is.....

You're such a spoil sport!

Here was I thinking we had a foolproof plan, even if we only saved a few, the MRV gate guard in Wagga is starting to look more attractive.

[Little Jo]

Hi All

If the purchase of surplus to needs military equipment and vehicles around the world dry up wouldn't that make our restored vehicles more rare and valuable.

Cheers

Tony

[rob love]

Yes it would make them more valuable, however, there has to be entry level stuff for the 16 year old kid in order to make him a life long military vehicle collector (addict). Most young people can't afford to toss $10K to 50K onto something that will not attract the fairer sex.

As well, most guys want something that either has to do with their service career or maybe something their Dad drove in the war. Just as model Ts and 57 chevys have fallen out of favor to the muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s, many of the military vehicles will follow the same pattern. The one exception of course is the Jeep, which remains timeless.

[rob love]

Reread my post carefully: It says something about attracting the fairer sex. Jeep-yes, Iltis-no. The Iltis is just too ugly. Might as well be trying to pick up chicks with a cab 11.

[super dave]

Originally Posted by rob love

Reread my post carefully: It says something about attracting the fairer sex. Jeep-yes, Iltis-no. The Iltis is just too ugly. Might as well be trying to pick up chicks with a cab 11.

This is getting interesting

[Bob Carriere]

What is wrong with a cab 11......?


...or is it what is right with a cab 11....???? all I can think of is that it was an improvement on some of the open cabs the Brits had.....

....its cozy and very intimate......

I had an American tell me when I showed him a picture of a cab 11...... "it is so butt ugly it's almost come around to being cute...!!!!

Bob

[Marc Montgomery]

Rob Love is absolutely correct.

Point- three summers ago, parked iltis in front of bar downtown Montreal while friend and i sat at outdoor tables a few yards away.

for about 45 minutes, every single male (99.99%) gawked at jeep, zero females looked or even noticed, unless it was to yank male partner away or notice his head was turned looking at something....100% males.. ZERO females.

Seems the only kind of MVs one will get in the future will come from ex-soviet manufacture..and even then cost will be a huge impediment..(along with lots of paperwork)

The hobby may die out, and with so many non-collectors using the iltis as an expendable dune buggy, there may a number of those wrecked in the near future, and if not wrecked, in need of major repair, with a very limited parts supply of certain Iltis specific parts. Seems to me a decreasing number of young people are interested in messing around with greasy rusty auto repair...and there are no computers to re-configure on these old things...

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally Posted by rob love

Reread my post carefully: It says something about attracting the fairer sex. Jeep-yes, Iltis-no. The Iltis is just too ugly. Might as well be trying to pick up chicks with a cab 11.

Chicks in Cab 11...Bruce P of this forum, as a young subaltern, took a date to Casa Loma for a Regimental function in one. Worked for him!

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Jon Skagfeld

Chicks in Cab 11...Bruce P of this forum, as a young subaltern, took a date to Casa Loma for a Regimental function in one. Worked for him!

Was she riding up front or in the back?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Isn't it the Yanks who are requiring this? Some sort of Defence materiel cooperation treaty, either you scrap the M113 or you don't get any more US defence materiel cooperation or equipment.

Originally Posted by RHClarke

The Cdn government retains all rights, ownership and responsibility until the disposed object is destroyed in accordance with related agreements and policies. You may not like what is happening but that is the way it is.

The Dutch Government has never sold armoured vehicles to private individuals, either ex-MDAP supplies or those procured with our own tax money.

E.g., surplus ex-Canadian M113 C&R are in private hands, the ex-Dutch ones are being shot up on the ranges and/or have been scrapped.

H.