Ford Blitz Restoration/Rebuild

[Phil Waterman]

Hi

Here are some photos of the rifle clips on my 1942 Pattern 13 C60S.

As mentioned the cup is sloped to be deeper at the back. I've got dimensions if anybody wants me to post them.

Now a question, what do you do for units using the No5 Mark I (jungle carbine)?

Cheers Phil

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi

Here are some photos of the rifle clips on my 1942 Pattern 13 C60S.

As mentioned the cup is sloped to be deeper at the back. I've got dimensions if anybody wants me to post them.

Now a question, what do you do for units using the No5 Mark I (jungle carbine)?

Cheers Phil

Thanks Phil
Yes, I would be interested to see at least some of the dimensions from your blocks. Bob recently sourced a NOS butt block that was smaller than the dimensions published in Convoy Magazine several years back and some old and weathered blocks are yet other sizes. (Bob's NOS didn't have a drain hole but Convoy dimensions one and some of the weatherd blocks have one.)
I don't know if this is a case of different contractors working to different dimensions or different designs for different uses or just sloppy manufacturing but you would think that at least the inside length and width of the block should have been standardized along with the spacing for the mounting bolts. The mounting spacing does seem standard but other aspects vary.

[Private_collector]

Phil,

The issue with L.E No. 5 is an interesting question. I have a Jungle Carbine here & while i've not yet tried this on the rifle clips, I would expect it to be too short for the clip to grab. Also the butt plate with strap loop might be too wide for a regular floor block. On the other hand..........at least it has its own 'padding' on the butt

I'll test this fit later today & let you all know.

And YES, I would also like to see the dimensions you have there.

[Keith Webb]

The Australian designed gun tractors No8 and No9 have provision to fit a bren gun up in the roof and a smaller machine gun on the driver's mate's wheel arch. Here's how the box for the butt was fitted. You'll also notice the 'glovebox' for ammunition. This pic is on the AWM's FGT No9.

Originally Posted by Private_collector

Phil,

The issue with L.E No. 5 is an interesting question. I have a Jungle Carbine here & while i've not yet tried this on the rifle clips, I would expect it to be too short for the clip to grab. Also the butt plate with strap loop might be too wide for a regular floor block. On the other hand..........at least it has its own 'padding' on the butt

I'll test this fit later today & let you all know.

And YES, I would also like to see the dimensions you have there.

[Ryan]

Keep up the terrific work Tony and keep the pics flowing.
Your thread is great to follow and an eye opener.
This Blitz will get plenty of this once it's done I'm sure.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

Here is a quick drawing of the wooden rifle cup on my `42 Pattern 13 Cab C60S



Concerning the Carbine, always wondered if you reversed the upper holder down would it fit the Carbine.

Cheers Phil

[Private_collector]

Great tech drawings Phil, thankyou. Also thanks for the photos prior. I have yet to catch our woodwork museum open, but will print a copy of these to take with me when I go next. I'm confident someone there will get involved and make a couple of these for me. Those fellows are mostly craftsmen from another age, when things were made to last!

Thanks to you too Keith, I have copied that photo of the MG butt holder & 'glovebox'. I wouldn't mind making one of those gloveboxes, actually .

Yesterday was quite unproductive. I got 90% of the side curtain frame jig completed, but stopped when I was about to make a silly mistake with welding something in wrong place. I figured it was time to put it away to continue fresh another day.

I did clean-up some minor electrical bits, but nothing worth photographing.
Rifle clip with JC 1.jpg Rifle clip with JC2.jpg
The Jungle Carbine DOES fit in the clip, but it is sloppy fit. At least it is sloppy without the wooden block for it to sit in. I have not measured against the dimensions Phil posted, to see if it would sit down inside, but will do so when I get the chance.