C8 progress in Texas

[Phil Waterman]

Hi

Yes most Chevy speakers can speak Ford, but need to use many hand gestures and speak loudly and slowly to be understood by those who speak Ford.

I'll take some photos of the window post units from the doors this afternoon, I got a list of photos I need to take to answer various CMP questions for people.

The use of Ford parts on Chevy CMPs and visa verse all seems to stem back to the thinking that was described by Sid Swallow about the birth of the CMP concept at Ford and GM. They needed parts fast and they engineers grab parts that they had that worked which would not require time to develop new tooling. It would be fun to have a time machine and go back and watch this relatively small group of people develop the first CMPs get them into production and then evolve them based on the feedback they got.

Cheers Phil

[Grant Bowker]

from Mac's web site
http://macsautoparts.com/ford-side-c...0R3CHL1075964/
I'll let someone who's actually used the handles (or at least has the originals) comment on that part.

[Ganmain Tony]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi

The use of Ford parts on Chevy CMPs and visa verse all seems to stem back to the thinking that was described by Sid Swallow about the birth of the CMP concept at Ford and GM. They needed parts fast and they engineers grab parts that they had that worked which would not require time to develop new tooling. It would be fun to have a time machine and go back and watch this relatively small group of people develop the first CMPs get them into production and then evolve them based on the feedback they got.

Cheers Phil

I couldnt agree more Phil, would love to have been a fly on the wall during those meetings and discussions. Ill bet they took place over dusty parts bins with old Henry insisting they use the oldest stuff first. Sid Swallow would have had some sleepless nights as well.

I suppose... applying logic....those curtain rods would have come off something from the 20's or 30's..

[David DeWeese]

Thanks everyone for the replies and the helpful information!

I guess that explains the unknown holes on the ends of each door a few inches below where those rod fitting would be. It also appears that the previous owner had the side curtains installed while all that damage was occuring to the doors. All the door skins around the holes where those missing fitting would be installed were badly mangled.

The photo from Mac's, (thanks Grant), look like those fitttings have a square socket on the inside. Did the side curtain rods have a square shank with round rod or...?

Thanks again,
David

[Mike K]

Something I've noticed

The Chevy cab 11/12 doors have a inner panel , but the fraud version didn't , the outer panel is exposed .

Mike

[Bob Carriere]

HI Mike

I don't remember ever seeing a Ford cab 11 but the Ford cab twelve did not have a inner panel and the bottom inner section became a very convenient shelf for gloves, maps. etc.

Tony

The MAc door handles are listed as ....

item Standard, straight handle chrome 68-702350-A at $23.00 USA $ but that was 5 years ago. One would be wise to get the screws and the rubber that fits under the handle mounting base.

The "Side curtain rod socket item A180620 is sligthly different and chromed... the originals were potmetal..... and are held in place by rounded head screw bolt as shown in David's picture..... can't remember if they have a square shape inside but will next time in the barn. From Mac's photos one could conclude that the window steel rods had a round end where they fitted the door socket but became a flat bar where they entered the canvas.

AS I have a set of original side curtains, from Dirk, it may be possible to figure out where the metal rods should fit...... the sleeves/channels where the rod can be inserted must be fairly obvious..... I will check next weekend when in the barn.

I also got a set of handles from Dirk NOS and hit pay dirt on Ebay where I got 3 NOS in box for considerably less. Both Ebay and Dirk had the original OD green paint and are otherwise identical. Strangely the Mac version in Chrome seem to have a better smoother finish.
The chrome would need some light sand blasitng for the paint to adhere.

Now for the steel rods ........ MAc sell them for a specific application. As the CMP side windows were unique I am not aware of anything even vaguely similar available on the market.

I am sure they would be relatively easy to bend for repro but I have never seen an original set.... not even in picture form.....

I will take and post some pictures of the original door socket and the repro from Mac as well as the various handles I have.

Also.... on the cab 11 there was a small inner handle that fits over the square rod of the external handle ....... we found some.... will need to consult Rob Clarke...... I think they came from the bolt distributor in Toronto again slightly different in size but very similar.....
FOUND THEM....at Mac's Roadster & Phaeton, chrome item A702400C at $8.20 (2 needed)

As anyone ever seen an original set of those steel rods for the side curtains...???????

Bob

PS..... found a series of pictures of the doors and various handles, etc.....from a few Winters ago....will sort them out and repost with captions.

[Bob Carriere]

The first one focuses on that funny thimble taht fit in the top side pf the doors and designed to hold some curtain support rod....

The first two photos shows the original slightly longer and squared in design.

Next photo shows comparaison between original and repro.

.... and finakky YES they are square on the inside.

More to follow

[Bob Carriere]

here is a side view comparaison..... the repro is sligthly shorter but will still instal even if the screw is slightly offside.

The next series are the door handle ..external and the small internal handle. You will noticed small diofference on the inside door handle but close enough

The last picture is of the latching mechanism.... it is spot welded inside the door....usually totaly worn out....available from Mac........

Bob