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Old 24-03-13, 02:58
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Default Thanks Bob & Alex

Love to know the part number for those door handles Bob.. when you have time

Cleaning up minor details now. Finally found a bit of 'bling'.

A badge like this will definitley make the beast go better..

Old rifle butt holder AND screws extricated intact!!

Original back of ign switch that sits above the steering wheel.

Assortment of other bits. Interesting to see two types of engine cover clamps.

I thought the single type may have been fitted post war as a make do. But I have now seen 3 Cab 12's with identical arrangements.

I'll take that as reasonably supportive evidence of the original layout.
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Old 24-03-13, 03:28
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Default Question time

Looked up parts book to find the exact name for the 'metal thing' that the crank rod goes through.

Parts book identifies it as the Radiator Shell Lower Apron Assembly.

How the blazes does it attach to the truck down the bottom? (Three holes, last photo)

Has anyone got any pictures?
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Old 31-03-13, 03:10
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Default Sorry I missed your posting....

Outside handle from Mac

E36 Standard straight handle, Chrome 68-702350-A was $23.00

Gasket for above Molded rubber with bead around edge
B-7022428-B @$1.00

inside door handle.... fits on the square handle shaft
32-56 panel delivery - chrome A702400C @ $8.50

Once sandblasted they will hold paint very well.

Cheers

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Old 31-03-13, 03:14
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Default Not enough curve....

That apron has to curve back on itself almost 160 degrees..... not sure on the Ford but may bolt on the front hat piece with cage nuts on the edge of the hat piece.... the hat piece is parallel to the bumper the arches are bolted to it.... based on failing memory and Chev on the mind !!!!

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Old 31-03-13, 03:52
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Looked up parts book to find the exact name for the 'metal thing' that the crank rod goes through.

Parts book identifies it as the Radiator Shell Lower Apron Assembly.

How the blazes does it attach to the truck down the bottom? (Three holes, last photo)

Has anyone got any pictures?
I think Bob is right, looks like it has to be flat in line with the bumper underneath as this pic of cab 12 26581 shows.

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Old 31-03-13, 04:20
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Default Geez Keith.....

....sure went through a lot of trouble upsetting your truck just for a few pics!!

Or were you doing an oil change and the pan plug was rusted tight????

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Old 31-03-13, 04:46
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That's the way we do them downunder, Bob - turn 'em over to loosen the plug then go right way up to drain whatever didn't come out the top.

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....sure went through a lot of trouble upsetting your truck just for a few pics!!

Or were you doing an oil change and the pan plug was rusted tight????

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Old 02-04-13, 10:06
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That's the way we do them downunder, Bob - turn 'em over to loosen the plug then go right way up to drain whatever didn't come out the top.
Hope you gave it a nice rub on the tummy while it was upside down.
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Old 02-04-13, 14:40
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I think Bob is right, looks like it has to be flat in line with the bumper underneath as this pic of cab 12 26581 shows.
Great pic Keith.....especially as it also ads to the discussion on orientation of tyres!

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I did however find a gem that I will make a copy of and return to Max. Although as I was leaving there seemed to be a change of heart from the owner.
"Run Forrest....run..". Tony, I think either Phil W. or Dave Pope once posted a high res scan of the plate on the forum. Not that you need it now you have the one from Max

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Old 03-04-13, 08:56
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I think Bob is right, looks like it has to be flat in line with the bumper underneath as this pic of cab 12 26581 shows.

Thanks Alex - very lucky to get an original. I'll probably make a few to give to a few fellow Cab 12 owners.

I agree with you Keefy and Bob. It has to head straight back towards that cross member in the picture.

Further investigation last night shows there just aint enough metal on the apron to cover that distance from the front to the cross member that runs under the engine. Which it appears in the Keefy's photo to do so

Nor are there any bolt holes anywhere near the three holes on the apron that line up.

Went through the 40-41 parts book to find if there was another plate or bracket but have had no success.

Will have another crack though ...
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Old 09-04-13, 12:55
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Default Exciting find

In addition to other fiddily bits, I have been making that TAC sign holder as a copy from the original I got from Max.

I would like to put a divisional marking in it of some relevance to my grandfather but the question was... which one?

Grandpa was originally with the 21st light horse after doing some research, it seems they were shifted all over the place and re-assigned repeatedly to different units during the war.

This made it very difficult pick one sign & my poor old grandfather simply cant remember.

I then remembered I had some old photo's he gave me which were of some carriers they were assigned to around 1942.

I was stoked to find in one of the images, a pretty clear picture of....a Penquin....Australian 2nd Division.

Blokes in the Carrier are (as written on the back of the photo) L to R
J.Mack, L.Shooemark, C.A. Forbes, W.H. Brown driving.
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Old 19-04-13, 02:04
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I have been making that TAC sign holder as a copy from the original I got from Max. I would like to put a divisional marking in it of some relevance to my grandfather but the question was... which one? Grandpa was originally with the 21st light horse after doing some research, it seems they were shifted all over the place and re-assigned repeatedly to different units during the war. This made it very difficult pick one sign & my poor old grandfather simply cant remember.
If you're looking for "correctness" Tony you'll need to paint the Divisional sign on the guard, and use the plate holder for the unit sign. Which gives you another problem - what unit sign to use! I can't make out the unit serial on your carrier image, but the background looks to be two-colour horizontal...possibly green over blue denoting Divisional Cavalry Regt...? Mike will be of more help than me here.

Another option would be to choose a different period of your grandfather's service and depict the Division and unit in which he served at that time. That would enable you to choose the period he considers most significant himself, if it doesn't happen to be the one in the photo. If he's a bit hazy on the details you can always get them from his service record. If it happens to be after mid '44 you can use a fractionated unit sign, which allows you to display his actual unit designation. Anyway, just a suggestion, and it may solve your penguin problems!
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Old 19-04-13, 04:23
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If it happens to be after mid '44 you can use a fractionated unit sign, which allows you to display his actual unit designation.
Just to clarify - the fractionated system introduced in mid-'44 displayed the actual unit designation, eg. 2/12th Field Regiment in the pic below, rather than a coded number as used previously. Full identification was given by the background colour (denoting arm of service) and the coded lower number (denoting unit type), eg:

2-12 on Red & Blue Horizontal (Artillery) over 74 (Fd. Regt.) = 2/12th Field Regiment
2-12 on Red (Infantry) over 56 (Inf. Bn.) = 2/12th Battalion
2-12 on Blue (Engineers) over 60 (Fd. Coy.) = 2/12th Field Company
2-12 on Brown (Medical) over 57 (Fd. Amb.) = 2/12th Field Ambulance
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Old 09-04-13, 22:59
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Thanks Alex - very lucky to get an original. I'll probably make a few to give to a few fellow Cab 12 owners.

I agree with you Keefy and Bob. It has to head straight back towards that cross member in the picture.

Further investigation last night shows there just aint enough metal on the apron to cover that distance from the front to the cross member that runs under the engine. Which it appears in the Keefy's photo to do so

Nor are there any bolt holes anywhere near the three holes on the apron that line up.

Went through the 40-41 parts book to find if there was another plate or bracket but have had no success.

Will have another crack though ...
Hi Tony,
I have been talking to Steve Stone (UK) who has a Ford F15 Cab 11 and we discussed your photos and the one of Max's apron. The answer is that there are no bolts or screws securing that bottom edge. Steve's has no bolt holes and he is of the opinion that in desert conditions another shield might have been attached. The top edge is secured to bottom of the grille and there are two brackets either side that secure to the chassis through the side of the "cheek" plates, for want of a better word.
The photos that Steve has sent me should speak a 1,000 words. Tony, your apron is misshapen, the bottom should curve round more so that it lays horizontal and level with bottom of the bumper from what can be seen.
Three photos to follow in next post.

I have mislaid your email address, so please PM me and I will send the photos to you.

regards, Richard
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Old 09-04-13, 23:01
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More photos of Steve's F15 front apron fixing.
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Old 09-04-13, 23:20
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Here is a pic of an F15A (cab11) in Belgium (ex UK, ex forum member Kenny). It seems the panel is positioned (and curved!) just like the one on Richards pictures of Lukes truck. Unfortunately I haven't got any better pics.

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Old 01-04-13, 08:23
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Interesting to see two types of engine cover clamps. I thought the single type may have been fitted post war as a make do. But I have now seen 3 Cab 12's with identical arrangements. I'll take that as reasonably supportive evidence of the original layout.
Interesting observation Tony, turns out these are vintage style clips which pre-date the cab 12, as seen on the prototypes. Evidently they were superceded at some stage, presumably for robustness and/or ease of manufacture.
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