Wanted: 30cal. 1919 or parts to build one non functional

[rob love]

Tony: Very nice....a Colt. That name always commands a premium whether it is on a M1919 or on a 50 cal. Even on an AR15 it still commands top money for that class of gun.

Andrew's experience finding a 50 cal sounds like he is in exactly the right ballpark price wise. Fiftys are actually easier to find at present than are M1919s here in Canada. They can usually be had by a simple phone call.....not so for the M1919.

Harry's advise about the airsoft is also a good one. Just make sure the airsoft shoots a projectile above 366 feet per second, otherwise it is technically a replica. At that threshold and higher, it is a non-controlled firearm (no license or registration) as long as the pellet does not exceed 500 fps AND has 5.7 joules of force...whatever that is..

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Tony: Very nice....a Colt. That name always commands a premium whether it is on a M1919 or on a 50 cal. Even on an AR15 it still commands top money for that class of gun.

Andrew's experience finding a 50 cal sounds like he is in exactly the right ballpark price wise. Fiftys are actually easier to find at present than are M1919s here in Canada. They can usually be had by a simple phone call.....not so for the M1919.

Harry's advise about the airsoft is also a good one. Just make sure the airsoft shoots a projectile above 366 feet per second, otherwise it is technically a replica. At that threshold and higher, it is a non-controlled firearm (no license or registration) as long as the pellet does not exceed 500 fps AND has 5.7 joules of force...whatever that is..

And just as single shot conversions of full auto's were prohibited in 1993, if 'airsoft' catches on (and they make some fine reproductions of historic firearms) I can see new legislation on the horizon.

BTW there's a guy selling a dewat 50 cal M2HB, tripod and T&E for $5000. Not sold yet...

[Robin Craig]

I have to say that I was quite amused at the simplicity of the solution fielded by a local chap in Ottawa, whose name escapes me.

He has a jeep with a rear pedestal, so he has a plywood outline of the weapon of choice and it is covered with a a nice green cover.

Looks like there is a gun under it and none of the aggravation.

R

[Barry Churcher]

A friend and I were discussing this very topic as he has a toy Thompson with the toy company name on the side. As he is a bonified full auto collector he didn't want to take any chances with the toy so he called registation in New Brunswick. The snitty lady on the phone explained that the toy was illegal and would have to be destroyed. Not really believing this and having questions he contacted the RCMP in Ottawa and here is the response. I will post half now and the other half later.

This information sheet describes how the Firearms Act and Criminal
Code apply to replica firearms.

A replica firearm is a device that is not a real firearm, but that was designed to look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm.
Replica firearms are prohibited devices in Canada .

Antique firearms, as defined by the Criminal Code and corresponding
regulations, are not prohibited.

Some devices resemble real firearms in many ways, but are made of clear or brightly coloured plastic, or have significant dimensional differences. Many of these devices need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis. As a general rule, however, devices significantly smaller or larger than the real version are not classified as replica firearms.

Airsoft guns are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal. Some airsoft guns, resembling with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, are replica firearms and therefore prohibited devices. Advice as to whether or not a particular make and model of airsoft/pellet gun would be considered a replica can be obtained by contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).

Possessing or Acquiring Replica Firearms
Individuals may keep any replicas that they owned on December 1, 1998. A licence is not required to possess a replica firearm, and it does not have to be registered. However, individuals cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm. If a replica firearm is taken out of Canada , it cannot be brought back in. Businesses may possess, acquire or import replica firearms only if they have a valid Firearms Business Licence that allows them to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose.

[Barry Churcher]

Lending or Borrowing Replica Firearms

A replica firearm cannot be sold or given to an individual or an unlicensed business. However, a replica firearm can be loaned to:
a person who borrows it specifically to fulfill their duties or employment in a motion picture, television, video or theatrical or
publishing activities; or a certified instructor who wants to use it to teach the Canadian Firearms Safety Course or the Canadian Restricted Firearm Safety Course. The specific requirements pertaining to such things as record keeping, notification and storage requirements can be found in the Special Authority to Possess Regulations (Firearms Act) (SAP).

Use of Replica Firearms in Crimes

When used to commit a crime, replica firearms are included in the broader Criminal Code definition of "imitation firearms". There is a mandatory minimum penalty of one year in prison if an imitation firearm is used to commit, to attempt to commit, or during flight after
committing, a serious criminal offence, such as kidnapping, robbery or sexual assault. This sentence must be added on to the sentence for
the main offence.

Storing and Transporting Replica Firearms

Replica firearms should be stored and transported carefully to keep them out of the hands of someone who might misuse them. If a replica firearm is borrowed under the terms of the SAP Regulations, it must be stored in a sturdy, securely locked container, vault, safe or room that cannot be broken open or into easily. There are no specific requirements for personal use of replicas, but the law requires dividuals to exercise reasonable caution for the safety of otherpersons.
If replicas are being transported, they must be locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a similar lockable compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment in which the replica can be locked, the replica must be put out of sight inside the vehicle and the vehicle must be locked. If shipping a replica firearm, it must be sent via a carrier that is licensed to transport prohibited devices. The CFP has a list of eligible carrier companies. Replica firearms being shipped by licensed carrier must be packed in a sturdy, non-transparent container that cannot be broken into easily and that is not likely to break open accidentally. Businesses that are licensed to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose must store and transport these and other prohibited devices in accordance with the Storage, Display and Transportation of Firearms and Other Weapons by Businesses Regulations.

Information

Information on importing a device that is not a prohibited replica is available from the Canada Border Services Agency at 1-800-461-9999.
For more information, contact the CFP. This fact sheet is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act and their corresponding regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Thanks Barry, it's silly but that is the law as it is here in Canada. I suppose banning lifelike 1:1 scale model kits of .357 revolvers they sold in the past might arguably make some sense. But not being able to get a soft metal or fiberglass Browning for a vehicle restoration is nuts.

The only additional thing that surprised me was the prohibition of airsoft that looks substantially like a real firearm. I can't argue with the wording above but do know a lot of airsoft owners who have accurate versions and think they are perfectly OK. Even Princess auto sells some accurate examples. I'm not sure what's going on in this regard because what I'm seeing isn't matching up with what you've posted.

[rob love]

WRT the airsoft, that is where the threshold of 366+ fps comes in. That is the speed that the firearms lab has determined can cause serious bodily harm, and is therefore legal to have without controls.

Re the transportation of replicas, note that the transportation requirements are actually greater for a replica than the requirements for a real gun. You can have a real rifle (non-restricted) in the front seat with you, the only requirement being that it is unloaded.