High River- Police seizure of firearms

[rob love]

Sorry to ruin the continuity of this thread, but I have removed my posts. Some of this thread is a little too over the top for my liking, so I think I'll just step back.

[motto (RIP)]

I've been away for a couple of days and so missed some of what is referred to here.
Freedom, particularly when applied to private firearms ownership is a very emotive issue and discussion therefore always apt to boil over.
The fact that some of the thread went 'a little too over the top' is all the more reason for you to stay in there Rob. Your posts were well balanced and reasoned and added some worthy input to the debate.
I for one miss your contribution and am sorry that you left the field.

David

[Marc Montgomery]

Sorry you decided to withdraw, and that you removed your posts with the relevant info. I hope you will change your mind.

I agree with Jon, Im surprised that mainstream media seems to have avoided this story and I really cant understand why

[Harry Moon]

Sun News has been covering it. About the only news channel i take the time anymore to watch. Lots of FOI requests and a pretty steady campaign for a public inquiry.

[chris vickery]

If firearms were owned legally and stored in a lawfull and corect manner, why would they be so concerned about safety?
Just a prime example of how registries can be used against Citizens, I mean Subjects.
I truly believe that the RCMP has, and has always had an agenda towards firearms ownership in Canada.
Read the book on Sam Steele, its in there going all the way back to early settlement in Canada's West. The NWMP at the time were very concerned with the United States mentality towards gun ownership and came up with a mandate to ensure Canada did not become plagued with the gun culture of the American West. Given the fact that this police force is our Federal police, it makes me feel really uneasy about how and why they do things the way they do. It seems a continual list of breaches of Civil rights, internal scandals and execution by Cop. They can't even keep things under control within their organization. Sexual misconduct charges swept under the carpet, tazering to death inoccent civilians, theft, drug use, illegal search and seizures and so on.
And add, most recently reclassifications of legally owned firearms with the stroke of a pen, just because they can.
A group turly out of control and abusing power over Canadians. Maybe its time to re-evaluate and perhaps dis-band. Heck the Canadian Airborne Regiment was dis-banded over a whole lot less....

[chris vickery]

The general consensus in the Canadian firearms community now is that recent decisions regarding certain types of firearms being reclassified is merely a test of the firearms community; the ideology being that the Feds want to test the resolve of the firearms community in a limited area, thusly probing us to see what and how the reaction will be. If the community rolls over and accepts things like seizures, compensation or not, then it lays the groundwork to move on to other types of firearms and pick them off one by one. The main trouble has always been a divided firearms community, each group not really understanding the other, nor representing or standing up for each other.
A blackpowder enthusiast is light years away from the tactical shooting guru yet they are one in the same. A gun is a gun, regardless. Some are just more scary looking than others. It is easy for the media to manipulate the facts to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public. Sooner or later Grampa, if it were up to those in power, your Cooey 22 will be gone too.
And respectfully Guy, I can agree that there are probably many Officers doing a job that they find distastefull, it goes with the territory.
I still contend though that someone or a group from within is pushing for the current tactics being used against law abiding citizens.
Firearms amnesties are for criminals, not for law abiding, licensed taxpayers living in a supposedly free country.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

I've been watching and remaining silent on this topic but there are a few items in your comments that warrant rebuttal. First, you avoid the contradiction that those who use illegal firearms to do criminal acts often get less severe penalties than 'paper' firearms offenses based on improper storage or classification. Why is that? Second, that officers getting no 'satisfaction' out of kicking doors down is irrelevant. The fact is they did and it becomes more a question of why. I couldn't care less how they felt when doing it.

Originally Posted by guyvapeur

There is a similar thread on another forum I read that talks about High River, Alberta. Most subscribers are in the United States and far removed from Canadian laws and practises. I choose not to interfere with their choice of topics or their views relating to their home turf.
I have just come upon this thread and it makes me sick. Rob Love pulled out but I will step in if only for this one line.
Never in my 30 year career with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police did I once even get a whiff of directive that would say I should be targeting gun owners.
Then again 17 years in Northern Alberta did not afford me much of a chance to meet any real gun owner....Bull.............I met them all..... and yes there were refusals for ownership when the local decided a 44 magnum was what was need for the gun club he had not yet joined.
There is talks about rights..... Miranda and so on. Bull............I have seen more than enough cases thrown out of court because police had not jumped through every loop and fence the courts, the community and their own administration had put in their way. A list of lawyers was available at every detachment so that we could advise a suspect as to whom could be called. There is no such thing in my experience as to the one phone call. In simple terms, the subject must be afforded the right to retain counsel.....I can think of one case where the court ruled the police had driven by a phone booth thus denying the accused the right to make a phone call ASAP....Case dismissed.
I don't have a full account of what happened at High River but I can say without a doubt the Officer kicking in doors was not getting any satisfaction out of this task.
I will gladly await the findings of any inquiry and see what Sun News has to report when it is all over.
Now I await the tide of rebuttal.

[chris vickery]

"The fact is they did and it becomes more a question of why. I couldn't care less how they felt when doing it."
My sentiments exactly Bruce as per my quote below;
"I still contend though that someone or a group from within is pushing for the current tactics being used against law abiding citizens."
How often in past history have were all heard, "we were only following orders?"
Wake up Canada and really see what is going on here.