M4A2 Sherman

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Michael R.

'Haliburton' is a 'large hatch' M4A2E8 76(w) HVSS made at the Fisher Tank Arsenal, Production Order T-13901. Serial number 69162, R/N USA 30129641. The 76mm M1A2 main gun was made at Oldsmobile.

This tank was produced under the Fourth Russian Protocol of the Lend Lease agreement. It did not ship from the USA to Russia before the cancellation of the Lend Lease program. It was purchased by Canada in 1946 and used a training tank.

All this information is posted on-line, the better source is the fine work done by Mr. Baun, et al (including Hanno Spoelstra and Joe DeMarco.)

Thanks for sharing, but to be totally correct - it is a M4A2(76)W HVSS. E8 was the experimental designation of the HVSS suspension. When taken in production "HVSS" was added to the designation, rather than E8.

From my website: http://www.mapleleafup.nl/g104/cdn.htm:

In 1946 the Royal Canadian Corps was equipped with 300 M4A2(76)W HVSS Shermans, bought from the US for $1,460.00 each. They were used for training only. After being replaced by Centurions, the Shermans were passed down to various Militia regiments. The Lord Strathcona's Horse Regiment which served in Korea used M4A3(76)W HVSS Shermans supplied by the USA.

[tankbarrell]

Though it seems in Canadian service they were known officially as M4A2E8.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ghlight=m4a2e8

[ShawnC]

Id love to work on or own this Sherman. How much are they asking for it?

[jdmcm]

Adrian is correct, much of the original Canadian literature designated the tank M4A2E8, see the previous post about the drivers handbook.

[Michael R.]

You could also call it a Sherman III AY. All depends on where you are.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by tankbarrell

Though it seems in Canadian service they were known officially as M4A2E8.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ghlight=m4a2e8

Yes I know, I have a Canadian manual with "M4A2E8" on it as well.
But it's US Ordnance designation was M4A2(76)W HVSS and not M4A2E8 76(w) HVSS or another variation on a theme.
And indeed the British Army called them Sherman IIIAY, but they never used them operationally.

[Mike Gray]

Thank you very much Michael R. and Hanno for filling out details on this. Much appreciated.

[maple_leaf_eh]

A Dutch 105mm Sherman sold last week for over a quarter million Euros. Not the same condition or provenance, but a starting point for any discussions.

I'd be whispering a few words into the President's ear about accepting too low.

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

A Dutch 105mm Sherman sold last week for over a quarter million Euros. Not the same condition or provenance, but a starting point for any discussions.

I'd be whispering a few words into the President's ear about accepting too low.

Would the sale you comment on be the DeGroot auction?
Perhaps closer to 469,223.48 EUR complete with spares, superb example, including the auction house hammer and Dutch VAT ? In Loonies that would be north of $710,000.00 at 1.513.

Comparing a gutted gate guard that has sat idle for forty-three years with the quality of the former DeGroot collection? A starting point, perhaps.

[maple_leaf_eh]

The purpose of posting the recent sale information (wrong as I was), serves to illustrate that there is a thriving market for Shermans. And, the Legion President must know he (or she) isn't doing some 'scrap dealer' a favour letting that gutted, rusty old tank go for $2 a pound.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

Thank you very much Michael R. and Hanno for filling out details on this. Much appreciated.

My pleasure Mike, please keep us posted on your progress of recovering and restoring her.