A good day at the flea market today!

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by derk derin

A picture of the Double-Hex 1/2''-9/16'' box end wrench 181 that I was looking for to add to my CMP 3 ton tool kit list. Now I have to find a Double-Hex 5/8''-3/4'' box end wrench 184.

Derk,
To go with your 181, here are DUBL-HEX wrenches 180, 182 & 183, plus a Ford branded box end wrench.

[derk derin]

Hi Colin,
That is great information and just the kind of answers I have been looking for.I did see your thread with the picture of that wrench but didn't know what it was for either. With that list of Ian's tool packing list showing those wrench numbers definitely makes it clear that the wrenches were Ford marked with those part numbers on it.I am sure they will be harder to find than Dubl-Hex wrenches!
I have GMC marked wrenches that are stamped;MADE IN CANADA BY GRAY. One is a double box end wrench;
15/16'' GMC 5824672 1 1/16'',ALLOY STEEL-MADE IN CANADA
The other two wrenches are a single box end wrench,the one has a bent end;
7/8'' GMC 5824675,ALLOY STEEL MADE IN CANADA BY GRAY
The other one is a straight handle single box end wrench;
1'' GMC 5824676,ALLOY STEEL MADE IN CANADA BY GRAY
I wonder if the Ford wrenches were like these as well built by Gray or if Ford made their own wrenches like the ones you have? Just my luck I have a Ford and am sitting on GMC wrenches!
I would be interested in finding any tools I need to complete my tools list so yes I would be interested in your spare C39Q-17007. Thanks.
Derk

[derk derin]

One more shot of the back of the double box end wrench.

[Colin Alford]

Hi Derk,

To me it is very clear that Gray was producing these wrenches for both Ford and Chev (GMC). The wrenches were produced with Gray's standard dies then the necessary Ford or GMC part numbers were stamped in.

For the GMC marked wrenches it is easier to find written references to them because Chev produced updated CMP Parts Lists until well into 1945 so these lists included the new wrenches (first introduced in 43). Unfortunately for the Ford wrenches I have only found the one reference (Ian's Tool Packing List) that actually gives part numbers for them.

Here is a list of the part numbers with descriptions:
Ford:
C39Q 17006 - 1/2" x 9/16" Box Socket Wrench
C39Q 17007 - 5/8" x 3/4" Box Socket Wrench
C39Q 17009 - 15/16" x 1" Box Socket Wrench

Chev:
5824673 - Wrench, Double end - Double offset Hex Box 15/16" x 1-1/16"
5824674 - Wrench, Single end offset - Hex Box 15/16" approx 14" long
5824675 - Wrench, Single end offset - Hex Box 7/8" approx 14" long
5824676 - Wrench, Single end straight - Hex Box 1" approx 14" long
5824677 - Wrench, Double end - Double offset Hex Box 1/2" x 9/16"
5824678 - Wrench, Double end - single offset Hex Box 15/16" x 1" approx 14" long (small end offset)

I know that C39Q 17006 and 5824677 are exactly the same wrench (pics attached).

The description of 5824678 completely matches an actual C39Q 17009.

By extension I suspect that the single end 15/16" Box Socket wrench (unknown part number) shown in the Ford Driver's Handbooks will be the same as 5824674.

I have attached images of C39Q 17006 next to GMC 5824677 and including a"077 Made in Canada". Somewhere I have a "078 Made in Canada 1/2" x 9/16" but it is currently misplaced. I included the "077" to illustrate the similarity with a normal production wrench.

Also there are images that show C39Q 17009 next to GMC 5824673 and a Gray-Bonney 2894 (this is not a CMP wrench but I believe that it nails down the manufacturer of the others).

The 5th image is a GMC 5824674 15/16" offset wrench.

I have been trying to collect examples of both the Ford and Chev wrenches. Perhaps we could conduct a trade?

For any one else reading this: Can anyone provide more info on Ford Box-End wrenches? I am interested to see pictures of any other types of surviving examples, identify correct part numbers from tool lists, or identify different size combinations from Driver's Handbooks.

Colin

[derk derin]

Colin,
I have no use for the GMC wrenches so would be more than happy to trade! You certainly have done your homework on the wrenches and it is nice to finally figure out what kind of wrenches I need to find!
I did some researching on the internet and came across an article that suggests that the DREADNAUGHT brand of wrenches were actually made by GRAY. Have you heard of this before?
Derk

[rob love]

I too was wondering if there was a Dreadnaught connection. Looking at my selection of Dreadnaught wrenched I note they are very similar in their methods of stamping as the Ford wrenches shown in this thread. Edited to add: I got my answer here: http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.ca/...eadnaught.html

As well, the CMP (or was it carrier?) manual shows the double open end wrench set which is held together by a little metal bracket which tightens up and holds the wrenches together. I picked up one of those sets which had a red bracket instead of khaki, and the wrenches are all dreadnaught.

Derk

Perhaps our favorite surplus store is where you want to be looking for CMP wrenches. There are bucket loads of wrenches out there.

[derk derin]

Rob,
That is the plan this spring is to get out there and find the tools that are hidden away. I was told that the engine starting crank handle assembly for the Ford CMP is a two part item.The first being the bent handle part and the straight rod that fits into the engine crank shaft lock. The two parts connect to each other.
I have also just figured out what other tools I am looking for and will be on the hunt now! I need for my Ford CMP the following items;
-CO1Q-17182,DREADNAUGHT open end wrench 3/8'' x 7/16''
-C39Q-17006,Box end wrench,1/2'' x 9/16''
-C39Q-17007,Box end wrench,5/8'' x 3/4''
-C39Q-17009,Box end wrench,15/16'' x 1''
-CO1Q-17033,Wrench,front hub retaining nut
-C11Q-17038(Ford 3 ton parts list),(C39Q-17038 on Ian's parts list)Ford engine starter crank handle assembly
I just came across an interesting part number in the Ford 3 ton parts list,it's for the doohickey that holds the wrenches together,CLIP,WRENCH CO1Q-17166. They gave it it's own part number!
Two more items that are in the parts list are books.One is listed as;
-CO1Q-17067,BOOK,LOG and;
-SE-93-A,INSTRUCTION BOOK
There is a photo of the log book in the back of CANADA'S FIGHTING VEHICLES EUROPE 1943-45,page 202,lists it as ARMY BOOK 412. Has anybody ever seen one of these books before? This is the only photo I have come across showing what it looks like. The other book listed as INSTRUCTION BOOK. What type of instruction book would I need for my Ford 3 ton CMP? I have 4 different types in my collection. Would any of these be the proper instruction book? There are both books displayed on the CMP tool kit board photo but I suspect the tools are for a Chevy CMP as the instruction book is Chevy and apparently the engine starter crank handle is one piece for CHEVY and Ford is two piece as in page 203 of CANADA'S FIGHTING VEHICLES where they have a list of TYPICAL ''B'' VEHICLE BASIC KIT LIST and in it lists the Handle,Ford,1st type and Extension,Ford,1st type? Thoughts on this? I already have a driver's handbook for FORD 3 ton 4x4 and AMBULANCE but is missing page 21 & 22 so would eventually like to find a complete one.
Derk

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by Colin Alford

I have been trying to collect examples of both the Ford and Chev wrenches.

Hi Colin,
I have a few GMC 5824620 wrenches. If you do not have one, send me a PM, and Ill make sure you get one.

[derk derin]

Well I wound up collecting more GMC wrenches! I was looking through the pile of wrenches in the surplus store in Calgary last weekend where I originally found them hoping this year to find some Ford wrenches thanks to Colin's help but only GMC wrenches were there. I did manage to find one of the 15/16'' GMC 5824674 box end wrench so that may have to go in the tool kit until I find a Ford marked one.

[derk derin]

Another interesting find there was this combination wrench. Marked RCAF and made by Gray Canada. Anyone want to guess as to it's use?
Thanks,Derk