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Old 19-06-16, 04:43
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Default Was No 19/WS No 31 AFV mount

It looks like you may have the bottom half of the Wireless Set No 19 Mk 111 / Wireless set No 31 AFV combination mount.

That would be post war, remembering that A Squadron 10th Light Horse Regiment's Ferret Scout Cars were withdrawn from service around 1970 and were still using this obsolete fitout at the time.

John Martin has/had the metal frames for the WS No 31 AFV and I have a pair of the sets but they are very rare in Australia.

The arms could also be part of a WS No 19 / B47 Larkspur combination mount but I'm not too familiar with that and technical information is hard to dig up.

Apart from the Arms on the sides of your mounting tray, the rest could be fitted straight Into your WW2 vehicle and look authentic as long as you added the wide strap Mike refers to.

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Old 19-06-16, 16:59
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Hi Phil,

Interesting comments about XALH and the wireless fit in their Ferrets - were they 31AFV or possibly 88AFV sets coupled with the No.19 Mk.3?

As far as I can tell, the only No.19 Mk3 imports were in the early 1950s, and they were paired with 88AFV sets, hence my query. So if you can confirm the use with 31AFV sets, it will mean I'll have to go 'ferretting' (no pun intended!) for some additional info!

Be interested in your comments on this.

Thanks

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Old 19-06-16, 19:06
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I have a British parts list for Carriers, Sets, dated 1957 and ZA49938 is listed as Carriers, Set No.84. Sorry I cannot elaborate on this, but it might be a lead in your search.

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Old 20-06-16, 01:54
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Pam sent Mike !
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Old 20-06-16, 06:44
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Default 19 set

Thanks for the information people, post war and 19 set.
I did a test fit and I don't like it at all, looks wrong.
The unit is too wide, back to front and if I used the 19 set base the frame would cover the front of the 19 set pull handle on one side and the PSU on the other.
I have no visual proof these vehicles were ever fitted with a 19 set and what the fud is that bracket thingy hanging off the back suppose to do?
The vehicle did have a radio fitted but 11 set or something else perhaps.

I can adapt a wood shelf then a base and move the whole unit up and closer to the wall and the fit would be ok but nothing like the original photos.

I'm going to pay a visit to some radio people and have a look at other sets of that period. Better get my comb-over happening...
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Old 20-06-16, 06:51
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The 19 set test fit and the bracket mounting on the rear.
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Old 20-06-16, 12:09
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Love that comment! You'll also need the tweed jacket with leather elbow patches.
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Old 20-06-16, 13:14
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Default 11 set

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The vehicle did have a radio fitted but 11 set or something else perhaps.

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Hi Wayne

The 11 set is more or less the same as the 19 set ...heavy and bulky . You might consider one of the amenities receivers ... these

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Old 20-06-16, 14:34
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Wayne.

In your recent post you say the fit of this 19 Set and carrier arrangement looks nothing like the original photos. Can you post those photos for us with any relevant observations you have made, for the group to review?

One of the big challenges with restoration of wartime vehicles that were wireless equipped, is the fact the vehicle life span all too often outlasts more than one variation of wireless equipment. Each set can leave its own trace and after 40 or more years of accumulation you have quite a puzzle sitting in front of you. It can get even more challenging when you talk to Vets who worked with the vehicles if they are from different time frames. Always a good idea to establish time of service when interviewing Vets as it can help clarify the chronology of the equipment used in the vehicle.

Would any Australian Army Signals Museums have documents on file for how this particular model vehicle was knitted out?

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Old 25-06-16, 05:50
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Default testing 123

Had a chat with some radio boffins about radio sets available in 1941/42.
The first 19 sets were different from the MK 2 set I have and did not have a pull handles and the PSU didn't poke out the front as much.
Other sets were about the same size and lots of other information to glaze ones eyes over.

Any hey, I will use a period base with the canvas bits and a strap across the top to hold it in place so no one dies when I turn the first corner.

This is a dummy construction, a wider base by fitting a document drawer that will lift the set up and back and fit with original style support frame.

There is even enough room for the crew man to sit between the radio and tailgate.

Included is a photo I got from Keith of the original frame support.

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