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Old 31-05-18, 22:41
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Hi David, I think you are right on target . There is an opening at the front of the turret which I put down to a possible ventilation duct but it does fit in with tray area. Russ Gregg also thought it was for casings too but I also said they were ejected from the inside. It make sense now!! I don't have any drawings or pictures or the inside of that area but with some earlier comments of a casing bag inside under the guns is probably wrong.. It must be a fool proof and complicated system to get them out as a blockage would be very hard to clear. I guess that is one part I won't be making but it is good to know what it's for .
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Old 31-05-18, 22:51
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Here's a couple of Photos Russ took for me of the one at Borden. I thought the opening was some sort of ventilation area.
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Old 01-06-18, 01:35
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Here's a couple of Photos Russ took for me of the one at Borden. I thought the opening was some sort of ventilation area.
It turns with the turret so would be of little use as a ventilation item as it would only work when the turret was in on place. Spent cases collector does make sense and collecting brass in a bin that would be emptied 'after action' is just British enough to be possible. Though turning the turret to have it jingle down the side make little more sense that collecting it and just flinging it away by hand. A closer look at the Borden Vickers to see if there is a hole or chute on the mantlet might solve the mystery. Does the centre 'lid' piece hinge?
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Old 01-06-18, 17:17
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Looks like the rectangular opening on the bottom of the box should have a screen bolted in place. Seems logical that it could catch the casings and let them cool off without dropping them all over the upper hull.
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Old 01-06-18, 17:52
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All,

There are a number of Vickers MG Manuals related to Tank and AFV mountings at this site:

https://vickersmg.blog/manual/tank-training/

The various .303 and .50 Vickers MG marks for use in Tanks and AFVs had cartridge ejection tubes fitted so that the ejection took place underneath the gun, forward and outside of the vehicle.

I am quite confident that the tray in question was the "cartridge case tray" mentioned in some of the linked documents.

One question that I have not worked through is why there appear to be 3 locations for belt boxes inside the turret. In:

https://vickersmg.files.wordpress.co...i-04-36-a1.pdf

under the description of "Mountings, M.G., No. 10, Mark 1" it states that
the mount was for "one .303-in. M.G. Mk. VI or IV and one .5-in. M.G. Mk. V. Alternately two .303-in. M.G. Mk VI or IV can be used in this mounting in light tanks, Mk V or VI." It goes on to state that "projections on the underside of the platforms are drilled for the belt box carrier"

Not having a good sense of the layout of the guns and trays for belt boxes, and also not knowing the dimensions of the trays, I wonder if the two outside trays are possibly used when two .303s were fitted and the central tray was used when a .50 was fitted?

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Old 01-06-18, 19:05
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Looks like the rectangular opening on the bottom of the box should have a screen bolted in place. Seems logical that it could catch the casings and let them cool off without dropping them all over the upper hull.
Is it possible the screen is a museum addition to stop the public from using the slot as a garbage can?
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Old 02-06-18, 07:37
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Well that's another question answered. I think there will be quite a few Vickers Mkv1a/b experts here by the time I have finished.
I am pretty happy with the turret outcome now that it is sitting on top of "WOMBAT" and also my son Andrew was very keen to put the ball bearing in place and put a lot of bolts and nuts on as well. He's a very good helper
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Old 02-06-18, 08:21
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Looking fantastic, if I win the lotto, I might knock on your door 😁
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Old 02-06-18, 15:11
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Well that's another question answered. I think there will be quite a few Vickers Mkv1a/b experts here by the time I have finished.
I am pretty happy with the turret outcome now that it is sitting on top of "WOMBAT" and also my son Andrew was very keen to put the ball bearing in place and put a lot of bolts and nuts on as well. He's a very good helper
Colin, so far the pics have been truly amazing, but now it's time to up the ante. How about a video of that turret going around?
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