Mystery wheels

[Lynn Eades]

You will be able to get them re profiled in a lathe.

[Glen Plumridge]

Next lot of silly questions.
I am sure the manuals would probably tell me this, when I get them, but while I am waiting for that info I have been reading posts here for educational purposes but there is some general info that I have not yet seen discussed in depth.

I understand the ford V8 engine is the same as used in the CMP trucks apart from some sump and minor differences depending on the year but.....

Is the Ford 4 speed gearbox in the carrier the same as the gearbox in the CMP Ford blitz trucks? (Do they operate a separate transfer case to get the 4WD function??) Or is it a separate model of "truck" gearbox that is used in the carrier?

Will the trucks radiator work in the carrier with its more restricted air flow? I know the lower outlets are not in the correct position but is there anything else that prevents the truck radiator from being usable, or is the carrier radiator a specific animal that needs to be sourced?

I am sure I will have other questions as time goes on.

[Tony Smith]

Broadly speaking (particularly for Australian LP Carriers), Yes the gearbox "is the same as used in the CMP trucks apart from some output shaft and minor differences depending on the year"

Ford didn't really have a variety of gearboxes to choose from in the 30's and 40's. There was only one design (actually a Warner Gear design) of 4 speed, but it could be altered for different applications with different input and output shaft arrangements, or external attachments like the rear mounting feet or speedo cable output position. The Carrier of course has a remote gear change, but this just utilises a modified Truck gear lever.

Some of the specific attachments for Carriers though can be hard to find, so unless all the bits come with the carrier, converting a regular Truck box may not be that straightforward.

[Glen Plumridge]

So they are not as straight forward as Jeeps are then.

Is there a resource available anywhere that lists the variations across all of the builders or is it more a matter of experience and discussion with the collective brains trust.

Some of the reference books that seem to be hard to find maybe?


Hoping there is engines and g/boxes with the pair I plan to go see, but just in case, I may be looking for parts before too long.

[Ron Pier]

Apart from the parts list and workshop manual for your particular UC. The other best source of reference and information will be Nigel Watson's books. I guess most of us will have them and there will no doubt be other means to purchase them. http://www.universalcarrierbook.co.uk/

Ron

[Glen Plumridge]

Sadly all 3 volumes are unavailable according to his web page.

2 copies of volume 3 on ebay UK for a lot of money.

[Luke R]

The engine block in the Blitz will have to be modified if you want to plumb in the carrier oil cooler.

[Ron Pier]

Originally Posted by Glen Plumridge

Sadly all 3 volumes are unavailable according to his web page.

2 copies of volume 3 on ebay UK for a lot of money.

Hmmm! Vol 3 is probably the least needed of the three. So tracking down vols 1 or 2 depending on your carrier would be the best option.

I guess Nigel has made his fortune and retired young. Tee Hee! Ron

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Glen Plumridge

So they are not as straight forward as Jeeps are then.

Is there a resource available anywhere that lists the variations across all of the builders?

Well, seeing as Jeep gearboxes were only used in Jeeps, that's not too surprising is it?

Which type of Carrier are you looking at? British UC, Canadian UC , or Australian LP?

There is a repro getting around of the Australian Carrier Parts List that lists the different types of output shafts, muff couplings and gearbox mounts that were used in LP2 and LP2A Carriers, but these weren't specific to an individual maker, they were used across all factories during different periods.

[Andrew Rowe]

Talking about the Local Pattern Ford G/ Box, the only real difference is the rear mount that bolts to the back of this. This is a specific part for the Carrier as the height from the underside to the center of the output shaft is something like 135 mm , ( or could be 145 mm would have to check ) and is critical. I have plenty of spare ones if you need one. You can also find a few differences of the appearances of casting features on the top lids, for handbrake truck mounts etc. , and whether the box was of English manufacture and not Canadian / USA.
The coupling used was only two types, for LP, the later "upgraded " version was the 8 - point one, Cheers Andrew.

[Glen Plumridge]

Nope Tony, looks like it ain't as simple as a jeep unfortunately.

There is a MK1 british that looks like it has had all of the side plating used as wear plates in some hoppers. it has the track tool brackets on the glacis plate if that can help date it.

As well as an LP2a (I suspect) that has been bath tubbed, that has the steering gear still in it and the diff still attached. But I haven't seen any brake drums or sprockets in the photos.

The gent who has them has owned them for 50 years has utilised parts in the mine machinery systems he built over the years but, now he is clearing up the site he would rather see them go to restoration rather than the scrappies.

I only have a few blurry pics at this stage and not much other info about what is laying around loose.
His son in law who put me on to these thinks there is still engines etc there somewhere, so hoping he is right and there might be a couple of deconstructed carriers laying there.

Hoping to get out there next week to see whats on offer.

Andrew, I might take up your offer of the rear mount once I see whats in the pile of bits that I hope to obtain.