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17-10-20, 01:39
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Who knows what axles may have been grafted on but from the pics alone, and the idea it was 101" wheel base at one point, I'd say FAT. The winch installation looks right as do the triangular gussets at the back of the cab behind the door openings.
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17-10-20, 03:03
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Let me start by admitting I know less about Ford CMPs than the Chevrolet versions.
The front axle appears to have the heavier type of steering knuckles (six bolts/studs holding the pivot bearing caps on) and the higher count of bolts holding the steering ends of the axles to the central core. Other than the FATs, most (all?) 101" WB CMPs had the lighter steering knuckles with only four so either someone substituted a heavier axle (hope they did both front and rear so the ratios match) or it was built that way as a FGT. It is quite possible that if the Layrub coupling from transfer case to winch failed, someone might have fabricated a replacement from a driveshaft. Layrub couplings are still available but not nearly as easy to source as a used driveshaft that could be shortened. Are there signs of field fabrication or engineering by Bozo on the short shaft? I don't know of any 101" WB CMPs other than FAT that would have had pigtails riveted to the frame. Attachment by rivet is almost certain to be factory, bolts would be simpler to do if you were transplanting in a winch. My impression (to be confirmed or corrected by others) is that although all Chevrolet's had the winch cross-member even without a winch fitted, Fords only got the crossmember if a winch was fitted. The storage arrangement over the driver's head may be for an artillery plotting board. I agree with Bruce that the gussets behind the doors were not normal on a standard cab. (The back of the cab prevented twisting/racking but since the FAT didn't have the stiffening of the cab back another form of stiffener was needed.)
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#3
17-10-20, 05:03
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Welcome to the Green (OD) Asylum......
Quick get a trailer and get it home...... you only need to find a couple more for parts.
What part of Ontario Doug??? Lots of people on the forum to help you out...... Hope to see more of you and the truck...... If you decided to get the Ford Artillery Tractor you will need to learn the words to the old song...." Rolly Polly Mama's little FATty............. Cheers
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Bob Carriere....B.T.B C15a Cab 11 Hammond, Ontario Canada
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17-10-20, 05:11
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The common killer of artillery tractors was that winch. Post service, it was in just the right place to make a tow truck. The turtle back was thrown off, and the jib was usually welded directly onto the frame rails, ensuring that the frame would get so twisted and bent up, with the ensuing cracks, fish plating, and more cracks, that the rails would be beyond restoration.
I have an artillery tractor project waiting in the wings now. The 15 cwt frame is identical, so will be the donor to make the artillery tractor whole again. And, thankfully, it is a Ford. 
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17-10-20, 05:54
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Fuel tank brackets look to be the correct type for 20 Gal tanks, opposed to the regular 12 Gal.
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#6
18-10-20, 01:47
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Thanks everyone for the thoughts.
It does have the large front axle and yes I did drag this home, to Niagara. The pigtail is bolted... The short shaft from tcase to winch brake drum is maybe 6" or so. Cant tell yet about fab work until I get it cleaned up abit. If there was a coupling would it have been bolted directly to the drum? There is only about 4" or so before the crossmember and it would produce a very sharp angle. Or was that how they were. This had two 6 ft long pieces of railway track welded on top of the rails ontop of everything else to try to hold it together! I will be looking for a frame for sure and move the crossmembers if needed. If anybody has any thoughts or possible leads that'd be a big help. Good to know the 15cwt are the same! Theres also an upper support bar(1" tubing?) with corner gussets up the back corners and across the roof back inside the cab. Is this something that was inside FAT cabs for stiffening, or added later? Seems to be made well. Added a few more photos, maybe something else will jump out. Thanks again, really appreciate all your knowledge.
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#7
18-10-20, 03:27
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The Ford manual gives different part numbers for the 15cwt frame rails vs the artillery tractor, but looking at the two different frames here in the yard, I'll be darned if I can tell what the difference is. Pretty much all the holes required for the artillery tractor including the winch mounting are already present on the 15cwt frame.
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