How long is the combat history for the UC?

[maple_leaf_eh]

There was at least one Lloyd carrier used in Rhodesia in the 1970s for convoy escort or airfield perimeter security. The typical low superstructure was replaced with more functional side screens, as was their anti-ambush experience.

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[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

There was at least one Lloyd carrier used in Rhodesia in the 1970s for convoy escort or airfield perimeter security. The typical low superstructure was replaced with more functional side screens, as was their anti-ambush experience.

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why do you think it is a Loyd carrier?
could you be confusing the chassis with something out of Somerville, Massachusetts?

[David Herbert]

Yes, definitely a heavily modified T16.

Plain idler, not the braked sprocket but undriven idler of a Loyd. different wheel spacing. Some mid production curly spoked T16 wheels.

David

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Michael R.

why do you think it is a Loyd carrier?
could you be confusing the chassis with something out of Somerville, Massachusetts?

I do not claim to be a Carrier expert. If I used the name Lloyd, it was because somewhere in the folds and nestled regions of my brain, that is the name to use for a four-roadwheel carrier. The photos were sourced by photographers in southern Africa long ago and published in various period publications, including Soldier of Fortune in its heyday and other definitive places.

[Mike Cecil]

The images of the carriers in Rhodesia appear to be armed with Bren guns, but with straight magazines for rimless rounds, so either the L4 version in 7.62-mm NATO (which would be by far the most likely) or the much rarer 7.92-mm version. The magazines appear quite short, so possibly the L1A1 rifle 20 round magazine, rather than the 30 round L4 magazine, which would tend to confirm the calibre as 7.62-mm NATO.


Mike

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

The images of the carriers in Rhodesia appear to be armed with Bren guns, but with straight magazines for rimless rounds, so either the L4 version in 7.62-mm NATO (which would be by far the most likely) or the much rarer 7.92-mm version. The magazines appear quite short, so possibly the L1A1 rifle 20 round magazine, rather than the 30 round L4 magazine, which would tend to confirm the calibre as 7.62-mm NATO.


Mike

I don't remember noticing other Brens in RhSF images, so there may be a practical explanation. (Edited) The 7.62 conversion was well established in RSA at the time with over 8000 LMGs of all Marks modified.

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[Mike Cecil]

Sure do ... an interesting article indeed, thanks for posting.


Mike

[Tony Smith]

Also, of note the Republic of South Africa (being a bit on the "Outer" in Commonwealth nations due to Apartheid) was not a party to the L1A1 SLR production, which is known in firearm collector circles as the "Inch FAL".

RSA rifles are the "Metric FAL" produced in Belgium, so the 20rd magazines for the R1 FAL, and by association, the 30 round RSA 7.62mm Brens, are not interchangeable with the L1A1 SLR (aka C1), L2A1 AR (aka C2), or L4A1 Bren. This probably makes the RSA Bren quite unique amongst all the family of Brno ZB/Bren weapons.