Leads , aerial No 5 Canadian

[Robert Bergeron]

Thank you very much Chris for the detailed response. Does that mean that I am limited to the 6 feet of the No 5 lead ? If so, going back to my original question , what is the caliber of that wire please so that i can at least use a reproduction in an unmounted setup outside the truck ?

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

Thank you very much Chris for the detailed response. Does that mean that I am limited to the 6 feet of the No 5 lead ? If so, going back to my original question , what is the caliber of that wire please so that i can at least use a reproduction in an unmounted setup outside the truck ?

The problem with a long feeder lying on the ground is that it's going to reduce the signal power getting to the aerial mast (and also add capacitance that the variometer may have difficulty balancing out).

I was going to suggest the usual P11 cable that is used for aerial feeders in the UK by the army (and its equivalent on the Canadian WS19 and WS52 aerials - Wire, Electric, Single, No.12), which is rubber insulated, but the EMER lists "Wire, Electric, Single, High Tension, 7mm" for that connector (possibly because it will be in contact with the ground).

It's probably the copper-cored single stranded conductor type used for ignition wiring; just make sure you don't get the later "carbon string" sort!

The other possibility (if you have the space) is to use both masts and one of the wire aerials - then you don't need to worry about making another cable.



Best regards,
Chris.

[Chris Suslowicz]

Further thoughts:

All the kit required for the Truck & Ground Station is listed in FZ 256/3, and would be issued as the "Set & Standard Kit" plus the dedicated "Installation Kit" for the intended use.

The "Set & Standard Kit" contains all the common parts for an AFV install, some of which (such as the Carrier No.1, waterproof covers, etc.) would not be required and had to be returned to stores.

The "Installation Kit" contained all the items needed to complete the particular installation, including all the cable clips and fasteners, installation and disposal drawings, etc.

So for the Truck & Ground Station, the aerial rods (F & G) and bases (8 (or 10) and 9) would be in the Set & Standard Kit, and the Installation Kit would supply the wire aerials (70, 90, 110, 150, 185 and 250-foot), Aerial Base No.9A (the 'B' set base for demounted use - basically a No.9 on a big spring clamp), two of the long co-ax feeders (Leads Aerial No.3/Connector Coaxial 11A), one for permanent installation in the truck and the other for use with the clamp-on base, and all the other bits & pieces, cables, extra headgear, satchels, etc.

FZ 256/3 is a really useful EMER, and you should get your hands on a copy.

As far as the cables required go (and they're all listed, along with the components needed to make them up from stores if required) are concerned:

Connectors, 4-point, No.32 - Switchboard, Charging, C5 or 2 batteries to set (demounted use)
Connectors, 12-point, No. 1E - WS19 to Control Unit 3B
Connectors, Co-axial, No.11A (Qty 2) WS19 B set to Base No.9 and 9A (demounted use)
Connectors, Single, No.7C - Aerial socket on WS19 carrier to mast
Connectors, Single, No.23 12V+ from Vehicle Switchboard to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.23A 12V- from Vehicle Switchboard to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.24 - Battery 1 12V+ to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.24A - Battery 1 12V- to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.24B - Battery 2 12V+ to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.24C - Battery 2 12V- to Switchboard, Charging, C5
Connectors, Single, No.33 - Earth clip on Carrier 23 to vehicle Earth
Connectors, Twin, No.53 - Switchboard, Charging, C5 to Batten, Terminal (set), I think.
Connectors, Twin, No.77 - Batten, Terminal to WS19 Supply Unit No.2

There are also other connectors involved - the 'A' set aerial uses Aerial Feeder No.9 to connect the variometer to Base No.8 (or 10), and Connector, Single, No.33 for earth in the vehicle, and there's a Leads, Earth, No.2 for use with an earth pin and/or counterpoise when demounted, and either 'F' rods (or the plug on the wire aerial) into the fixed socket on the variometer mounting plate or Connector, Single, 7C from that to the 34-ft mast insulator terminal.

I think most of this is correct. (I'm not sure if the fused switchboard in your vehicle replaces the charging switchboard altogether for use in the vehicle.)

The battery link cables are not listed (Connector, Single, No.3) and are presumably supplied with the batteries. Likewise the cable from Chore Horse to Switchboard, Charging, C5 is part of the Chore Horse installation kit.

Best regards,
Chris.

[Robert Bergeron]

Yes Chris , the fused switchboard replaces completely the C-5 Cdn switchboard . So i made what you call a 7C lead out of No 8 rubber insulation copper wire with a couple of copper connectors . Instead of plugging in the aerial socket , i screw the connectors directly to the variometer screw and nut . I will take pictures soon . Did a reception test and it works just fine .Thanks for the help . Any pictures Chris of all this nice equipment ? Cheers .

[Robert Bergeron]

Illustration picked up on an old thread from 2010 source unknown.

[Robert Bergeron]

Here is a picture of a little known feature about the Wire-5 truck . To the right , the ground wire .The grounding post to the frame is just inside the box right beside it . To the left another possible connection for something ( an antenna mast lead either 5c or 7c depending on Can/ UK ? ) . I connected a 100 feet single insulated wire strung up on trees on this post and inside the box a lead to the variometer nut and screw post and reception was great . No idea what would happen in the transmission mode . We never concluded definitely what these posts were designed for in the first place . Many ideas came out but none were definitive and the manuals don’t mention it’s existence. Field phone wire connection, 12 V power , 110 V power . Nobody has ever mentioned antenna lead connection . I just don’t know . Over .

[Robert Bergeron]

Better overall view.

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

Illustration picked up on an old thread from 2010 source unknown.

Aha! That's the same illustration as Louis used in Wireless for the Warrior and comes from the Truck & Ground station installation book. (It's on Page 8 and the lead is wrongly identified as "Leads, Aerial, No.5" in the book. The 2010 illustration is obviously a corrected version but still has the same drawing reference number 7-298-3-A.)

Thinking about this, it's probably a direct result of the Great Renumbering that went on, where they changed the names of lots of cables/connectors to avoid confusion (especially for those parts used with many different bits of equipment).

For example:

ZA.3141 Wireless Set No.19, Leads, Aerial, No.1 became Connector, Coaxial No.10
ZA.3142 Wireless Set No.19, Leads, Aerial, No.2 became Connector, Coaxial No.11
ZA.3143 Wireless Set No.19, Leads, Aerial, No.3 became Connector, Coaxial No.11A

and I suspect that our little friend

Wireless Set No.19, Leads, Aerial, No.5 became ZA.10318 Connectors, Single No.7C

so as not to confuse the stores people or Wireless Fitters.

The installation instructions are dated September 1943 and the EMER is dated October 1944.

Chris.

[Robert Bergeron]

Thanks again Chris . Just to add to the discussion here are some pictures i found in a Canadian wartime manual : 1- Cover of said manual , 2-description of lead No 3 referenced as No 37 on the picture , No 3- picture of a substantial coil of lead cable for the antenna masts . The mystery deepens. Is that coil i estimate as being 25 or maybe 30 feet in length coaxial or single wire ? I dont know much but i don’t see why it would be coaxial the way it is coiled . In my mind it’s meant to feed a mast . I don’t see why the user had to setup his mast just 6 feet from the No 19 with a No 5 lead when dug in a deep trench with overhead cover and revetting . So if my assumption is right , you could use a mast aerial remotely meaning more than 6 feet away.

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

Yes Chris , the fused switchboard replaces completely the C-5 Cdn switchboard . So i made what you call a 7C lead out of No 8 rubber insulation copper wire with a couple of copper connectors . Instead of plugging in the aerial socket , i screw the connectors directly to the variometer screw and nut . I will take pictures soon . Did a reception test and it works just fine .Thanks for the help . Any pictures Chris of all this nice equipment ? Cheers .

For my sins, I stayed up late last night, reading the WS19 Canadian Installation Instructions for the Truck & Ground Station, in conjunction with FZ 256/3. This turned up errors in both of them.

I already knew about the Connector 7C illustration being swapped with that of the 194, but there is also the Aerial Feeder No.9 which is shown as being connected to the variometer terminal (instead of being plugged into the aerial rod socket - this explains why the one I have is fitted with a plug like on the 7C (otherwise demounting the set would require fiddling around with the variometer connections and these would eventually break)).

The illustrations in the Installation Instructions show several different vehicle fits (which could be helpful as well as confusing) and there are various errors
in all of them.

I need to have a further think about all this.

Chris.