WS 19 in a Mk2 carrier

[Petr Brezina]

Hi Chris, thanks for your points, very helpful as always. The pictures in the second row are from the Windsor Carrier, so for me (UC Mk.III) the first or second picture set-up should be correct I guess.
I like the "bread bin" layout but really not sure if it was generally adopted for the UC's or just experimental photo. Never seen it before. To have it in some official WS layout drawing would be great.

[Chris Suslowicz]

Hi Petr,

If Post #18 in this thread is your carrier, then it has the mounting hardware for a couple of tables, one to take the chorehorse carrier and the other with the table clamps for what is probably a variation of Carrier No.25.

How wide is the space where the mounting bars are fitted?

I've measured my Carrier No.25 and it is 25-inches (63 cm.) across.

I believe that with a suitable mounting board and table clamps, my set would be a "drop in" fit, complete with the standard waterproof cover, and that it is likely to be correct for the Mark III Universal Carrier (with WS19 Mark 3).

If that is the case I can work out the complete parts list for the carrier.

(I have been looking for photographs on the internet and am amazed at the number of Tamiya kits where people have stuck an 'A' set aerial into the 'B' set aerial base!)

Oh, and you will need three Aerial Base No.10 Mk.2 and one Aerial Base No.9 plus mounting No.1 for the carrier! (No.9 base behind the commander/gunner, one Base No.10 at front and rear, and the third one on the plate with variometer and Control Unit No.2.)

Best regards,
Chris.

[Petr Brezina]

Hi Chris, thanks a lot, space in my carrier is 64cm wide (wall to wall), 55cm between the "quick change" bars. So it seems that No.25 Carrier can tightly fit.
May I get some picture of No.25 carrier from the bellow, please? Would bars on No.25 fit on bars on UC floor (55cm between)?
Found on the net few pics of No.25, but not sure about exact dimensions. Also one carrier has interestingly bars cutted of (picture) - why?
I have already acquired some stuff, but still many parts missing.
Thanks for your help.

[Chris Suslowicz]

Originally Posted by Petr Brezina

Hi Chris, thanks a lot, space in my carrier is 64cm wide (wall to wall), 55cm between the "quick change" bars. So it seems that No.25 Carrier can tightly fit.

It should fit in that space - my measurement allowed a little extra width for protruding screw heads, etc., and I suspect the No.25 carrier was designed to fit in this space.

May I get some picture of No.25 carrier from the bellow, please?

Yes, but I will need to clear some space and get the setup moved to where I can photograph it. This may take a few days.

Would bars on No.25 fit on bars on UC floor (55cm between)?

No: the bars are meant to hold a wooden board with the standard radio table clamps, spaced for the Carrier No.25 - it's a lot narrower than the No.1 or No.3 (21 or 23) carriers. The board also holds a "Batten, Terminal, 2-pt" for the 12 volt power feed to the set. If you look at Photo No.1 you can see the hole in the bulkhead where the battery cable passes through into the front compartment. The bars on the carrier floor have a cone at the rear (which will engage with a hole in the edge of the board - probably metal edged for protection), and the hole at the front is probably tapped for a suitable screw or bolt to hold the board in place. See if it has a BSF thread?

Found on the net few pics of No.25, but not sure about exact dimensions. Also one carrier has interestingly bars cutted of (picture) - why?

Someone was an idiot (or a vandal), and cut the bars off, then drilled holes in the channel (probably to fit the post-WW2 "Barry" mounts) for a permanent installation somewhere.

I have already acquired some stuff, but still many parts missing.
Thanks for your help.

You're welcome.

I may set my WS19 up as though it is fitted in that carrier so you can see what it looks like (and if you think it is the correct setup for the vehicle).

Best regards,
Chris.

[Petr Brezina]

Thanks a lot Chris!

Originally Posted by Chris Suslowicz

The bars on the carrier floor have a cone at the rear (which will engage with a hole in the edge of the board - probably metal edged for protection), and the hole at the front is probably tapped for a suitable screw or bolt to hold the board in place. See if it has a BSF thread?

It seems that its just pin hole, no thread there Im affraid.
Never seen any picture or drawing of the counterpart, so hence my questions.
Kind Regards Petr

[Petr Brezina]

Just came across this interesting drawing in Chilwell which I overlooked before.
This support for wireless set is intended to be for AOP Mk.III but again something completely different
It has extra support (41) bolted to the engine rail (?) and some strange type of the carrier which I never seen before. There are obviously common rubber shock absorbers underneath but the shape of the carrier looks odd.
Confused again

[Chris Suslowicz]

Hi Petr,

I think that's a view of the support for the left hand mounting of the front wireless position.

If you take out the seat pan, then you only have the right-hand mounting bar for the radio/charging set table. There must be a corresponding left-hand mounting bar (with rear-facing cone at the front and bolt hole at the rear to match the one on the right hand side, and I think that drawing is a head-on view of the bracket that supports it.

The two mounting bars then support a tray (probably steel angle with holes at the rear to match up with the cones and plates to bolt to the holes at the front of the tray/well of the carrier) which will have either table mounts for the WS19 (and a terminal block for the 12V supply) or a frame and loops/clamps to retain the charging set. The trays will be identical in size so they can be swapped for WS19 at front/Charging Set at rear or the reverse.

I'll find a piece of plywood or chipboard and see if I can make a mock-up of the tray and table clamps with the carrier and set (etc) on top so you can see what I think it should look like.

Chris.