Canadian contract jeeps (was: CDLV 505 Jeep Serial numbers...)

[M38CDNBill]

Again me,

The marking appears to be the number 44 around which there appears to be an incomplete circle. What are your opinions on this?

[M38CDNBill]

Last question for tonight, I think it may be this marking. What unit is it associated with?

[Eric B]

When Canada bought used Willy's and GPW's , these vehicles would have had USA Hood numbers on them. These were generally painted over but there are some photos where they are still visible. Some of these were shipped overseas while some remained in Canada.

They were suppose to have been rebuilt. Some were done at private businesses, while others were done at US Army Depots. The private business were reported to have done a better job. In most cases these vehicles were missing canvas and other items. Therefore some items such as canvas tops were manufactured within Canada as they were unable to purchase replacements from the USA.

We also bought a number of used vehicles for Korea. The USA hood numbers were retained and CDN was painted over the USA. They were reassigned Canadian numbers but very few of these were ever repainted. None of these vehicles came back to Canada as they were replaced by the M38A1s bought directly from the US Army.

In would guess that a car 5cwt 4x4 found in the Yukon would most likely not have been a CDN vehicle. The US provided vehicles for the defence of Alaska and numerous vehicles were brought in for the building of the Alaskan Highway. Canada sent troops and provided aircraft. There are several good books on the topic.
Thanks
Eric

[M38CDNBill]

Thanks Eric...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Eric Booth noted:

“Many of the Canadian MB/GPW photos are actually originating from the Library and Archives Canada web page.
Others are using their photos and usually fail to give credit.
Here is the link to their digital archive.”

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/collec...aSource=Images

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Moved from Sherbrooke Hussars Sherman III on D-Day :

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

Did anyone else notice the Canadian contract slat grill Jeep in the background of the first picture link in post#12

Nice one, thanks for pointing it out!

Originally Posted by m kenny

IWM photos B6328-B6331 are the collection point/graveyard at Bray though this is not mentioned in the caption. One tank is clearly Canadian.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205205971
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205415913
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205415914
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205415915

[jeepingpw]

Came across this old thread and thought I'd add more info on my GPW as I'm still trying to find out its history.

Like Ian McCallum's mine has


Brass choke/throttle cable heads

rounded/square clutch /brake pedals,
these I always wondered if they were correct as I'd never seen a square one

Unfortunately the body had been stripped down to bare metal in the 1970's so no marking are left

data plate

[Eric B]

I have no data on your GPW.

Sadly without the information on the vehicle body, you will most likely never know its history.

Thanks
Eric

[Hanno Spoelstra]

The Canadian Government gifted a total of 899 rebuilt Jeeps to The Netherlands under the Canadian Mutual Aid programme. The first batch of 50 Jeeps arrived at Rotterdam Harbour in June 1953, where one was lifted from the hold of the ship Prins Willem V. The Canadian Ambassador T.A.S. Stone (left) and the Dutch Secretary of War mr. F.J. Kranenburg had their picture taken, and soon after the Willys MB was hoisted back on board to be forwarded to Utrecht.

One month later all 899 Jeeps had arrived in The Netherlands where they were prepared for issue to operational units in Soesterberg.

Willys MB “61-117” depicted here was supplied to Canada under one of the Canadian CDLV contracts, after which it served in Canada. After being refurbished, it was first shipped abroad in 1953.


Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a90cfb...8-003048976d84


Note the crate with spares in the back. The mudguard has "WT", "CU" and "CASE NO" applied to it for shipping purposes.



Another picture shows Willys MB "77-700" being lifted off board.

Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a90cf9...8-003048976d84

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Eric Booth wrote:

Here is the information on the sale of CDN vehicles to the Dutch:

CFN Disposal Release No 16 30 Nov 45
Sold through CAAC to Dutch Government Jeeps - 190 Willys - 140 Ford -50
Declared Surplus Inventory 17 ABP - Arnhem Feb 1946
5 Willys belonging to Dutch Govt not yet picked up.
CDN surplus in the Neth value of $80,000,000 total 25 March 1946
Cdn Det to the Neth Government at 33,000,000 total to Cdn surplus in Holland and in full that is owed to it by the CDN Army and pay a sum of 4,000,00 to the CDN Govt.
All vehicles outside Neth to be returned to the UK.

The Dutch Bijzondere Aankoop Commissie (BAC, or Special Purchase Committee) in London negociated a deal with the Canadian Department Reconstruction and Supply for military purchases from surplus depots in The Netherlands and England. The first transfer of army trucks started in January 1946. In the first half of the year 226 Jeeps were shipped from the Bordon Depot in the UK to the Netherlands, plus a further 24 to Tandjong Priok in the Netherlands East-Indies. In May 1946 an "overall deal" was struck when the Dutch Ministry of Finance took over the remaining rolling stock in the Canadian dumps in Deelen and Enschede . In this deal were at least 1100 running Jeeps, plus 2200 Jeeps to be parted out for spare parts. (Source: "De Jeep In Nederland" by J.W. Hoogendoorn.)


Attached is a photo of a row of surplus Jeeps at Bordon. A number of the Canadian Jeeps stored there were sold to the Dutch government. Later, in August 1946 circa 800 were auctioned off to the general public in the UK (ref. The Deelen Dump in Holland).

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

The Dutch Bijzondere Aankoop Commissie (BAC, or Special Purchase Committee) in London negociated a deal with the Canadian Department Reconstruction and Supply for military purchases from surplus depots in The Netherlands and England. The first transfer of army trucks started in January 1946. In the first half of the year 226 Jeeps were shipped from the Bordon Depot in the UK to the Netherlands, plus a further 24 to Tandjong Priok in the Netherlands East-Indies.

This slat grill Willys MB with census number CM 4218906 could be one of those 24 shipped directly from Bordon to the NEI.

These photos shows one of the jeeps of the Commander of the Dutch Armed Forces (BNS) in Kuala Lumpur in Malacca (now Malaysia). Dutch troops, namely the OVW battalions of the KL, were en route to the Netherlands East Indies in early 1946, but were not allowed to continue by the British. They had to temporarily disembark in Malacca, only to be allowed later to continue to bring peace and order to the NEI. The small unit with liaison officers from the BNS Staff was clearly involved.



Photo source and source.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another slat grill CDLV Jeep, CM 4218849, somewhere in Indonesia, 1946.


Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/aef0b7...8-003048976d84

[Lars R.]

On DND numbers...

Originally Posted by david moore

Rather it would originally have had 42-xxx (or 42-1-xxx if RCASC) in small numerals probably on the body side not the hood and then in 1943 this would have been changed to xx-xxx in much larger numerals depending on where it was located, the first xx NOT being the year.

I have a query here. David writes the -1- indicates R.C.A.S.C., however in the Chapter on CDLVs in the Lloyd White Volume 1 "The Evolution of the Willys-Overland MB Jeep" page 406, Eric writes that the -1- stood for "car 5cwt 4x4". Or, if not in contradiction, did the R.C.A.S.C. use the -1- indicating "car 5cwt 4x4" but otherwise it was not used? Then, how did Jeeps reach the forces through R.C.A.S.C. or, directly, bypassing them?

What is correct?

[Lars R.]

Vancouver Parade 1942
DND 42-1-5317

[Lars R.]

Same parade, 42-1-5321



Both fotos from City of Vancouver Archives

[Lars R.]

At the same time and place...Mayor Lloyd inspecting RCN Shore Patrol Jeeps. Note the two in OD (including a 241 Contract) with Army guys at the wheel, but Navy "on Board"!



Nova Scotia Archives

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lars R.

Halifax Mayor Lloyd at wheel of RCN Shore Patrol Jeep (GPW)...undated.

Nova Scotia Archives

RCN Jeep indeed, but not a CDLV one. Moved a couple of posts to a more relevant thread:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...345#post281345

[wim sikkelbein]

The scale model company AK-interactive has a new book titled ”The Canadian wartime Willys-Overland”

Seems interesting.

https://ak-interactive.com/product/w...land-canadian/

[Lars R.]

Thanks for the heads up Wim.
140 pages...could be interesting, but probably not much new, allthough one picture in the preview was new for me. Some of the model reference guides are actually very informative. I have ordered a copy...will report!

Cheers,

[Eric B]

A friend is rebuilding Canadian Contract 505 SN 155972
Here is what i pulled up from Lloyds Whites book based on the Serial number.

• 2 piece skid plate
• CDN tie down rings x4
• CDN headlight guard x1
• Rubber seals, shifter boots etc,
• Rubber hood blocks, placed on hood for electric wiper
• Syracuse Dyneto Electric wiper and wiring. hole for wiring
• TM publishing data plate
• CDN Data plate
• Pull light switch
• Zippered front seat bottoms
• spare tire lock
• round Corcoran Brown reflectors
• Metal knobs
• oaks oil filter
• oval muffler
• combat wheels
• locking glove box and tool boxes
• keyed ignition
• torque reaction spring
• 3 bolt spare tire carrier
• Willys script rear panel
• Hood radiator deflector
• Early under dash noise filter
• Early wire harness
• CDN windshield cover for electric wiper.
• Side curtains x 2
• Door Safety straps x 2
• basic canvas top. no side curtains etc.
• Oil filler tube, twist style with no vent.
• no pvc vent out side of engine.
• no tow rings on pintle hook
• no trailer electric plug
• no rear re-enforcement for sides to rear
• no rear reinforcement
• round gas tank well
• small gas tank mouth
• no fender blackout light
• no fuel can carrier
• no radio terminal box
• no rifle bracket on windshield
• no tire pump brackets under rear seat.
• Rear tail lights both blackout stop style.
• Overseas has 2 toggle switches, plastic plate on dash with axle light.

[Lars R.]

Great work and info Eric! Thanks!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Thanks for sharing that info, Eric. I’m always interested to learn about the specific CDLV Jeep configurations. Were they identical for each contract? I guess the small production changes were applied to the Canadian contracts too.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

CDLV Jeep in Canada, I guess (note the CMP truck in the background).


Source: https://www.militarytrader.com/milit...ys-slat-grille

[Hanno Spoelstra]

“An officer of The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment) stencilling the regiment's identification number on a jeep, England, ca. 30 May-1 June 1943.
The 1st Canadian Corps Defence Company in the Italian campaign was provided by The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment), which also furnished platoons for defence and/or employment duties at divisional and brigade headquarters.
(Library and Archives Canada Photo, MIKAN No. 3524567)”

Read more about the 1st Canadian Corps Defence Company here: http://www.lornesmuseum.ca/page4/page7/page7.html

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Judging by the wiper motors, I think this is a CDLV contract Jeep - correct?

RCAF No. 9 Detachment
Date(s): 16 Nov. 1948
Place of creation: No place, unknown, or undetermined

Source: http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redire...86169&lang=eng

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another CDLV Jeep in service in Italy:

"Captain N.H. Chase returning from artillery observation flight in Taylorcraft Auster A.O.P. III aircraft of the R.A.F., supporting the 17th Field Regiment, R.C.A. Castel Frentano, Italy, 10 Feb 1944"

Source: http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redire...24496&lang=eng

[marco]

Two photo's made in Nanaimo B.C.

Source:

https://thomasskrlj.com/collections/photosfromthefront