CMP prototype photos wanted please

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Check out the front end design [thanks Mark] for the Quad-Ant...you can see the precedent set with the front wings/fenders attached to the main front end structure. As:

1. the MCC and Quad-Ant complied with Spec. 36 they were idea for copying front end and rear body design [in the case of the GTs] and
2. the drawings for these designs had been sent to the DND and thence to Windsor by December 1939, which allowed for ready modifications to fit a V-8 and inline six, and
3. they had a proven cross-country/towing performance,

the Ford team under Sid Swallow were easily able to modify the 1940 Ford 4 x 2 to suit mass production, and create designs that would stand up to military requirements.

This also of course shows that the GM of Canada designs owed very little to the development lineage, save for providing testing of drive trains which were able to be rectified when series assembly started, which used in some chassis GM components that had to be from the heavy duty range.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

1939 /1940 COE Chevrolet front axle specs

This gives you information on the 1939 COE Chevrolet front axle, and king-pin design. Note the COE used Hyatt bearings and conventional trucks New Departure. It was the COE front axle that was used in the CMP designs.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Does anyone in the UK have a decent copy of BLUEPRINT FOR VICTORY that I could borrow please? My copy purchased from the RCA Kitshop and mailed 26 November has failed to arrive to date.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Pete Ashby
Here’s a picture of an early F15 that was at Beltring one year, note the 2A1 body.

Offered for sale on MilWeb is another surviving early 4x2 CMP 15-cwt truck, a Chevrolet this time but also with the 2A1 body:

1940 Chevrolet CMP, 15 Cwt
In France. 101 wheelbase, C 15 model, 11 cab, 2A1 body, all fully restored, hidden road Legal lights and indicators, with P.O.W. boxes, door curtains, inspection lamp, tools also.
0033 1 42 07 68 20
Casaubon 21 October '04

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Hanno, I found the data for the original 15-cwt Ford of 1937 [there was also a Chevrolet equivalent but I have never seen a photo...wish there was one!]

The Ford truck was registered as a “FORD”, 1937 manufactured [registered with a 1937 Ontario dealer plate, 856-M] Serial Number C-4800, Engine Number C-4800, with a “box” body, single rear wheels, 4300 lb. empty weight and 7,800 lb. Gross Load. The Manufacturer’s Model Number was “79”. The Series 78 was the 30 h.p. 221 cu. in. capacity L-head V-8, and it is assumed that the engine was the 1937 Model truck engine: 1937 30 h.p. car engines/serials started at No. A-1, and the 22 h.p. series D-1.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Pete Ashby
Here’s a picture of an early F15 that was at Beltring one year, note the 2A1 body.

Another picture of the same F15, taken by Phil Waterman at Beltring in 2001:

Source: http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.com/

I must admit not seeing it that year, I probably was too occupied with my own Ford...

H.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Does anyone know if the 1939-40 Ford 15-cwt GS trucks are similar or not in front end design to the # 11 Cab F15? Apart from the lhd versus rhd of course! And also engine covers that opened from the central hinge compared to the # 11 Cab Alligator style engine covers!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Is this some type of prototype built for the military?

This photo is part of a file held by the LAC related to the "RCAF - Ottawa Air Station, Rockcliffe, Ontario." Other than that this "Super Car Equipment on 1935 Ford 2 ton truck 157 1/2 inch wheel base" was photographed on 8 Aug. 1935, there is no further information.

Looking at the signs on this "monster truck", it was supplied by the Truck & Tractor Equipment Co. Ltd. of Toronto. It may have no connection whatsoever to the military, I must add.


Source: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Collec...Number=3580918

[Harry Moon]

looks like the first crew cab, which made me think as to wether or not troops ever refered to FAT and CGT as crew cabs?

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Is this some type of prototype built for the military?

It's hard to tell from the angle of the pic, but the front hubs look to be Marmon-Herrington, which would explain the "Go Anywhere" slogan.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Both good points Harry and Tony.

To me that monster truck has the same air / look & feel around it all those 1930s experimental trucks had.

Compare with the Innis Cunningham Half-Track vehicle of Feb. 1936:

Source: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Collec...Number=3580952