Question for Rob Love......

[rob love]

I had a look at the tie rod ends for the m-37 dodge as it is a similar design and readily available. Unfortunately the threads are only 1"unf.

[maple_leaf_eh]

As a slightly distracting attempt at humour, my FB feed seems to be cluttered with videos of "mechanics" from Karachi and India doing miracle repairs from scrapped oil tanker steel, crude machine tools and lots of arc welding rod splutter. Yeah, I trust their 1/2 diameter bolts made from a length of scrap rebar. To see these guys straighten a bent jingle truck frame, repair cracked engine blocks and rear differential cases, or rebuild 12-v batteries with square hammers, salvaged hand tools and no safety equipment makes me cringe.

But to the question, I would think both Bobs are headed towards the machine shop with CMP parts in one hand, and a UPS shipment box of M35 parts in the other. BTW, there are Canadians selling parts stripped off MLVWs. They seem to buy them by the cubic pallet load off GC Surplus.

[rob love]

M35 tie rods are not the correct design. They are your more typical tie rod with male threads coming off the ends. The CMP tie rod ends (and the 5 ton and M37s) have female threads where the clamp is built in to the tie rod housing.



It might be possible to lengthen the threads on the tie rod itself, cut the tie rod shorter, then use a pair of threaded sleeves and clamps and more traditional tie rod ends. But the rebuild of the CMP ends may well be easier once you find the correct tapered ends.

[chris vickery]

I find any suggestions of modifying ASME designed and proven components to be cringeworthy at best. Steering gear is the one area that I never mess with personally. If it’s questionable, it gets new parts. Understood that the issue is availability of old type complements but I’d keep looking…

[Bob Carriere]

When it comes to safety there are no compromise. Steering....brakes....rims..... tires..... I am looking for something that fits...... we all know that they did not invent CMPs...... they relied on engineering of the day with parts on the shelf in most situation...... they may have been used prior to 1939 (design was in 37/38) or used post war for some other large garbage or cement mixer trucks...... the problem is which one...... not ready to give up yet......

I spent hours looking up in my Hollander Parts interchange manual 16th Edition 1949-50 and out of 504 pages only one page pertains to tie rod ends for Grahams, Larabee, studebaker, etc but nothing for Chev Military....... although parts for the Russian jeeps are listed.

I took extensive measurements today to be cleaned up and posted soon.

The sad part is that there are maybe tons of spare parts in South America in old warehouses and no ones knows what they are.....

Question for Terry.... I have seen Utube footage of 303. British rifles being made from scrap by hand , the elevation rear site, bolts all hand hammered and hand filed......and they look the part......would you fire them???? or the wooden 50. cal machine gun mounted ona jeep done by a guy in the Sorel area.....all from wood panted in gun flat black and distressed....... perfect lookalike until you touch it...... now that is asking for trouble......

Stay tuned.....

[Paul Singleton]

https://www.lwdparts.com/product/end...set-lh-rh-nos/

LWd has a set in stock, it would be nice to have a modern replacement though.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

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Question for Terry.... I have seen Utube footage of 303. British rifles being made from scrap by hand , the elevation rear site, bolts all hand hammered and hand filed......and they look the part......would you fire them???? or the wooden 50. cal machine gun mounted ona jeep done by a guy in the Sorel area.....all from wood panted in gun flat black and distressed....... perfect lookalike until you touch it...... now that is asking for trouble......

Stay tuned.....

The gunsmiths in Dharra, Pakistan are craftsmen! They know what they are doing and how to make guns that will function. In the 1980s the DCRA in Canada decided to run blackpowder cartridge rifle matches. The rules were anything in Cartridges of the World that started life as blackpowder. My father was not well off, but was an irrepressible competitor, and he could read. He showed up at the inaugural matches with a Kyber Pass-made Martini Henry chambered for .303Br and shooting cast bullets with gas checks over blackpowder. He could shoot like a hero no matter what discipline, and he cleaned up that year. The rule was subsequently amended to specifically exclude .303Br. It is known as the Edson Warner Rule amongst those who know!

[Bob Carriere]

We had a close inspection of about 4 or 5 sets of tie rods....... most of them removed from the tie rod itself and not necessarily matched pairs....... all are the ones that can be taken apart........ I did take one apart years ago but can't find it and was sightly different in the internal construction.

Anyways...one set of the better tie rod ends still wearing some OD green color, compared to all the others which have been sand blasted during their life span underneath a CMP.

So only one set had the following numbers..... 24V26 F and 2425 F ......
lettering is raised on the casting but rather faint and only after removing very hard green paint with a wire wheel could we read them...... the numbers were located on the back face just above the two holes for clamping.....

One is obviously RH and one LF...... speculation..... is the F for FORD..... we know that the same tie rods was fitted on both Chev and Ford...... and both were involved in a joint venture during the design stage....... some parts being more GM and some being clearly Fords..... how about Marmon-Herrington...? may need to visit the CWM wearing work clothes with a flashlight and my camera telephone......

Progress on searching the Hollander Interchange manual edition 1949-50 of 504 pages showed little on tie rod ends....one page focusing on Graham, Larabee, Studebakers, etc........ although they list parts for Russian -cases....

...and I a searching my photo library for the one Tie rod end that I took apart years ago........ there is a possibility that I reassembled it and is now used on my C15a.......

We do have other complete axles and rolling frames that still have the tie rods installed BUT are buried in deep snow at the moment...... might have to dig a few hole to get down underneath for a closer look..... done that before!

One positive aspect...... the female end of the T. R. measured by Rob is identical.....being 1 1/4 inch and 12 t.p.i........castled nut is 3/4 inch 16 t.p.i.

Sketch of the T.R. with dimensions ..... tomorrow......

More to follow......