re Victor White

[merv millar]

I have recently obtained my husband's father's attestation papers and am trying to trace where he actually was.My husband's father died in 1995.Would any one know how I can find out what the acronyms mean? In one part it says he was attached to 4th BTn RCE and gives unit as 1stCBOu/s and also 4 PLDG and later WNSR. He was wounded on Dec. 16 '44. and place given was Allied Armies Italy. It lists 3C gen Hosp and then transferred to 1C and then 14C gen hosp.
I would like to be able to find exactly where he fought. He was awarded the Italy Star, the France and Germany Star and the Defence Medal.
I am hoping that someone may be able to direct me to where I should look to get further information.
Thanks so very much.
Lynn

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by merv millar
I have recently obtained my husband's father's attestation papers and am trying to trace where he actually was.My husband's father died in 1995.Would any one know how I can find out what the acronyms mean? In one part it says he was attached to 4th BTn RCE and gives unit as 1stCBOu/s and also 4 PLDG and later WNSR. He was wounded on Dec. 16 '44. and place given was Allied Armies Italy. It lists 3C gen Hosp and then transferred to 1C and then 14C gen hosp.
I would like to be able to find exactly where he fought. He was awarded the Italy Star, the France and Germany Star and the Defence Medal.
I am hoping that someone may be able to direct me to where I should look to get further information.
Thanks so very much.
Lynn

Hi Lynn;

What the acronyms mean:

4th BTn RCE - 4th Battalion, Royal Canadian Engineers

1st CBO - maybe should read 1st CBD - No. 1 Canadian Base Depot

4 PLDG - 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards (either Canadian Armoured Corps or Canadian Infantry Corps, depending on the date)

WNSR - West Nova Scotia Regiment (Canadian Infantry Corps)

3C gen Hosp - No. 3 Canadian General Hospital, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps

1C - No. 1 Canadian General Hospital, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps

14C gen hosp. - No. 14 Canadian General Hospital, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps

Judging by his medals and units mentioned, I would say he served with the 1st Canadian Infantry Division and his service was - Canada - United Kingdom (Defence Medal) - Sicily - Italy (Italy Star) - North West Europe (The Netherlands) (France & Germany Star).

Cheers

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by merv millar
I would like to be able to find exactly where he fought. He was awarded the Italy Star, the France and Germany Star and the Defence Medal

Hi Lynn;

You may find the following Canadian Military Headquarters (CMHQ) Reports of interest:

Canadian Operations in Sicily, July - August 1943, PRELIMINARY REPORT
http://web.archive.org/web/200505161...hq/cmhq103.pdf

Canadian Operations in Sicily, July - August 1943
Part I: The Preliminaries of Operation "HUSKY"
(The Assault on Sicily)
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq126.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN SICILY, JUL - AUGUST 1943
PART II: The Execution of the Operation by 1 Cdn Inf Div
Section 1: The Assault and Initial Penetration Inland
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq127.pdf

Canadian Operations in Sicily, July - August 1943
Part II: The Execution of the Operation by 1 Cdn Inf Div
Section 2: The Pursuit of the Germans from VIZZINI to ADERNO
15 Jul - 6 Aug.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq135.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN SICILY JULY - AUGUST 1943
Part II: The Execution of the Operation by 1 Cdn Inf Div.
Section 3: Special Aspects of the Sicilian Campaign.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq136.pdf

Canadian Operations in Italy, September - December 1943: PRELIMINARY REPORT
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq129.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN ITALY SEPTEMBER 1943
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq144.pdf

Canadian Operations in Italy, October - November, 1943.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq161.pdf

OPERATIONS OF 1 CDN INF DIV AND 1 CDN ARMD BDE IN ITALY 25 NOV 43 - 4 JAN 44
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq165.pdf

Administrative Aspects of the Operations of 1 Cdn Inf Div in Italy, December 1943.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq166.pdf

Operation "TIMBERWOLF": The Movement of 1 Cdn Corps to the Mediterranean, 1943.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq170.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN ITALY 5 JAN - 21 APR 44
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq178.pdf

Canadian Operations in the LIRI Valley (Italy)May - June 1944
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq121.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN THE LIRI VALLEY MAY - JUNE 1944
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq179.pdf

CANADIAN OPERATIONS IN ITALY 4 JUN 44 - 23 FEB 45
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq143.pdf

Operation "GOLDFLAKE", the Move of 1 Cdn Corps from Italy to North-West Europe, February-March 1945
http://web.archive.org/web/200602150...hq/cmhq181.pdf

Cheers

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by merv millar
I would like to be able to find exactly where he fought. He was awarded the Italy Star, the France and Germany Star and the Defence Medal

Hi Lynn;

You may find the following Army Headquarters (AHQ) Reports of interest:

The Sicilian Campaign (July – August 1943)
Information from German Sources
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq014.pdf

THE CAMPAIGN IN SOUTHERN ITALY (September - December 1943)
Information from German Military Documents regarding Allied Operations in
General and Canadian Operations in Particular.
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq018.pdf

THE ITALIAN CAMPAIGN (4 Jan 44 - 4 Jun 44)
Information from German Military Documents regarding Allied Operations in General and
Canadian Operations in Particular
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq020.pdf

THE ITALIAN CAMPAIGN (From the Fall of Rome
to the Evacuation of Florence (4 Jun-10 Aug 44)
Information from German Military Documents
regarding Allied Operations in General and
Canadian Operations in Particular
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq024.pdf

Operations of 1 Cdn Corps, 22 Sep 44 to 28 Oct 44: From the Marecchia to the Ronco
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq025.pdf

THE ITALIAN CAMPAIGN: The Battle of Rimini and the subsequent Advance to the River Ronco
(11 Aug – 31 Oct 44)
Information from German Military Documents regarding Allied Operations in General and
Canadian Operations in Particular
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq027.pdf

Movement and Operations of 11 Cdn Inf Bde Gp, Italy, 9 Apr - 5 May 44
http://web.archive.org/web/200503102...ahq/ahq060.pdf

Cheers

[merv millar]

Thank-you so very much, Mark for the information. I will browse through the attestation papers and see what I can figure out. Also, I have had a quick glance at the articles. Thanks so much.
Lynn

Originally posted by merv millar
Thank-you so very much, Mark for the information. I will browse through the attestation papers and see what I can figure out. Also, I have had a quick glance at the articles. Thanks so much.
Lynn

Hi Lynn,

Be careful you don't click on "new thread" when you reply to a post, as it will start a whole new thread/conversation and not go to the thread you intended. (happens a lot in here and just happened with your reply ... I fixed it and merged it back to this thread )

By the way, Welcome to MLU!!!

Karmen

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally posted by merv millar
In one part it says he was attached to 4th BTn RCE and gives unit as 1stCBOu/s and ...
Lynn

1st CBO w/s maybe? (1st Cdn Base Ordnance Workshops)

[merv millar]

Hi, MarK,
This is what I can figure out so far from my father-in-law, Victor White's attestation papers Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Now, I hope I am posting this correctly.
Lynn

1.taken on strength,No. 6 DD, private, 24-9-41 TC60 Yarmouth
2.ceases to be attached to CA(B)TC6, 29-10-41, Yarmouth
3. attached to COCTC for all purposes, unit RCOCTC 30-10-41, Barriefield
4. posting to 1st ConB??? and w???? camp Borden, 10-1-42,
5. TOS 1st COBW/S for alpon tsf????from RCOTC Barriefield 11-1-42 Borden
6. SOS CA(Canadian) on embarkation at .....on 12 Mar 42 Tos CA (overseas) on 13 Mar 42 and disembarked at Gaurock sp? on 23-3-42
7. att'ed to 2Cd1Ru for rations and quarters 24-3-42, unit BOW/S
8. adm to #1CMC, 24 June 42 , unit 1st CBO u/s overseas
9. disch from #1CMC , 27 June 42, 1st CBO u/s overseas
10. 1 P/ leave to 6 Aug 42, 30 JUl. 42 BOW UK
11. pair ?? leave to 13 Nov 42, 6 Nov 42 BOW UK
12. granted P.leave to 12 Feb 43, 5 Feb43 Bow/S
13. 6 months Prof. Service awarded 1 Jan43 BOW
14. 1 good conduct badge,24Sept 43 , BOW UK
awarded the Canadian Volunteer Service Medal and Clasp
15. AA9920 7 days CB 2 days pay 8May44 BOW UK
16. trans from RCOC to RCE??E, 15May44, 1 Base W/S RCEME, UK
17. SOS to 1 COMERU, 16Sep44, RCEW?E 1base w?S , UK
18. TOS from 1 base W/S 17Sept 44 , #1COMERU, UK
19. SOS to UK it/4 24Sept44 , Rceme???? I COMERU, UK
20. SOS CA(UK) ....embarkation 28Sep44, unit SpRft
21. TOS Ca(CMF) 29Sep44, disembarked Italy and TOS on transfer from RCEMe??? to CIC, SpRft 8Oct 44, Unit, XL CIC ....RH, place ##1
22.CIC SPEC RFt SOS X4 list to X4(1bm/) CBH, 4Dec44
23. TOS from CICSPARFS??5Dec44
24.Posted to 4 BM??7Dec44
25.SOS to 4PLDGX 12Dec44
26. unit 4PLDg TOS frin x4(4BN)CBH field, 13Dec44
27.wounded 16Dec44
28. admiited 3CGenHosp 16Dec44
29 Transfd 1C FenHosp 21Dec44
30. Transf14C GenHosp. ,23Dec44
31. DISCH'd 14C GenHops 22Feb45, unit 4 Pldgds, place CL
32. embarked Italy, 14Mar45
33. disembarked France, 17Mar45, 4 PLDG Place 21 AG(GF)
34. SOS X4 lost to W2Sr, 7Apr45 unit XL WNSA place, 21AG
35. TOS from x4 WNSA 18Apr45 unit WNSR, place 21asy??
36. SOS fr CDN Armt o?S on Emb, 25Sep45
37.TOS CDN Army Canada 26Sept45
38.SOS on posting to No.6 District Depot 26Sep45

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by merv millar
Hi, MarK,
This is what I can figure out so far from my father-in-law, Victor White's attestation papers Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Now, I hope I am posting this correctly.
Lynn

Hi Lynn;

Check your 'Private Messages' located at the bottom of the 'Home' page of this forum (click 'home' top upper right corner of this page) in regards to the information you've posted.

Cheers

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by merv millar
This is what I can figure out so far from my father-in-law, Victor White's attestation papers Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Now, I hope I am posting this correctly

Hi Lynn;

( ... and for those interested)

- in brief, it reads:

1.taken on strength,No. 6 DD, private, 24-9-41 TC60 Yarmouth
24 Sep 41 - Taken-on-strength of No. 6 District Depot, Hailfax, N.S., rank: - Private - attached to 60 Canadian Army (Basic) Training Centre, Yarmouth, N.S.

2.ceases to be attached to CA(B)TC6, 29-10-41, Yarmouth
29 Oct 41 - ceases attachment to Training Centre, Yarmouth, N.S.

3. attached to COCTC for all purposes, unit RCOCTC 30-10-41, Barriefield
30 Oct 41 - attached to A21 Canadian Ordnance Corps Training Centre, Barriefield, Ont.

4. posting to 1st ConB??? and w???? camp Borden, 10-1-42,
10 Jan 42 - posted to No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C., Camp Borden, Ont.

5. TOS 1st COBW/S for alpon tsf????from RCOTC Barriefield 11-1-42 Borden
11 Jan 42 - Taken-on-Strength of No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C., Camp Borden, Ont., from A 21 Canadian Ordnance Corps Training Centre, Barriefield, Ont.

6. SOS CA(Canadian) on embarkation at .....on 12 Mar 42 Tos CA (overseas) on 13 Mar 42 and disembarked at Gaurock sp? on 23-3-42
Struck-off-Strength of the Canadian Army (Canada) on embarkation for the UK on 12 Mar 42
Taken-on-Strength of the Canadian Army (Overseas) on 13 Mar 42
Disembarked in the UK at Gourock, Scotland on 23 Mar 42

7. att'ed to 2Cd1Ru for rations and quarters 24-3-42, unit BOW/S
24 Mar 42 - attached to 2nd Canadian Divisional Infantry Reinforcement Unit for rations and quarters - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop (Overseas), R.C.O.C.

8. adm to #1CMC, 24 June 42 , unit 1st CBO u/s overseas
24 Jun 42 - admitted to No. 1 Canadian Medical Centre, R.C.A.M.C. - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop (Overseas), R.C.O.C.

9. disch from #1CMC , 27 June 42, 1st CBO u/s overseas
27 Jun 42 - discharged from No. 1 Canadian Medical Centre, R.C.A.M.C. - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop (Overseas), R.C.O.C.

10. 1 P/ leave to 6 Aug 42, 30 JUl. 42 BOW UK
Granted paid leave from 30 Jul to 6 Aug 42 - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C.

11. pair ?? leave to 13 Nov 42, 6 Nov 42 BOW UK
Granted paid leave from 6 to 13 Nov 42 - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C.

12. granted P.leave to 12 Feb 43, 5 Feb43 Bow/S
Granted paid leave from 5 to 12 Feb 43 - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C.

13. 6 months Prof. Service awarded 1 Jan43 BOW
1 Jan 43 - received an award for 6 months proficient service - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Ordnance Workshop, R.C.O.C.

14. 1 good conduct badge,24Sept 43 , BOW UK
awarded the Canadian Volunteer Service Medal and Clasp
23 Sep 43 - awarded his first 'Good Conduct Badge' (having completed two years 'Active Service') and the Canadian Volunteer Service Medal and Clasp - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Workshop, R.C.O.C.

15. AA9920 7 days CB 2 days pay 8May44 BOW UK
8 May 44 - punishment awarded seven days confined to barracks and the forfeiture of 2 days pay total - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Workshop, R.C.O.C.

16. trans from RCOC to RCE??E, 15May44, 1 Base W/S RCEME, UK
15 May 44 - Transferred from the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps to the Corps of Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers - his parent unit is No. 1 Canadian Base Workshop, R.C.E.M.E.

17. SOS to 1 COMERU, 16Sep44, RCEW?E 1base w?S , UK
16 Sep 44 - Struck-off-Strength of No. 1 Canadian Base Workshop, R.C.E.M.E. upon being transferred to No. 1 Canadian Ordnance and Mechanical Engineer Reinforcement Unit - in the UK

18. TOS from 1 base W/S 17Sept 44 , #1COMERU, UK
17 Sep 44 - Taken-on-Strength of No. 1 Canadian Ordnance and Mechanical Engineer Reinforcement Unit from No. 1 Canadian Base Workshop, R.C.E.M.E. - in the UK

19. SOS to UK it/4 24Sept44 , Rceme???? I COMERU, UK
24 Sep 44 - Struck-off-Strength of No. 1 Canadian Ordnance and Mechanical Engineer Reinforcement Unit in the UK upon transfer to the X-4 List (Reinforcement in Transit) has a Reinforcement bound for Italy - his parent Corps being that of Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers

20. SOS CA(UK) ....embarkation 28Sep44, unit SpRft
28 Sep 44 - Struck-off-Strength of the Canadian Army in the United Kingdom upon embarkation of 'Special Reinforcement' draft for Italy

21. TOS Ca(CMF) 29Sep44, disembarked Italy and TOS on transfer from RCEMe??? to CIC, SpRft 8Oct 44, Unit, XL CIC ....RH, place ##1
29 Sep 44 - Taken-on-Strength of the Canadian Army (Central Mediterranean Forces)
8 Oct 44 - disembarked in Italy and Taken-on-Strength of the Canadian Infantry Corps upon transfer from the Corps of Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers and is carried on the X-4 List (Reinforcement) has a 'Special Reinforcement', Canadian Infantry Corps

22.CIC SPEC RFt SOS X4 list to X4(1bm/) CBH, 4Dec44
4 Dec 44 - Struck-off-Strength of the X-4 List ('Special Reinforcement'), Canadian Infantry Corps and transferred to No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Battalion (No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot) and carried on the X-4 List (Reinforcement) for the Cape Breton Highlanders

23. TOS from CICSPARFS??5Dec44
5 Dec 44 - Taken-on-Strength of (I would assume by the last entry) No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Battalion (No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot)

24.Posted to 4 BM??7Dec44
7 Dec 44 - posted to No. 4 Canadian Base Reinforcement Battalion (No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot)

25.SOS to 4PLDGX 12Dec44
12 Dec 44 - Struck-off-Strength of No. 4 Canadian Base Reinforcement Battalion (No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot) upon posting to the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards

26. unit 4PLDg TOS frin x4(4BN)CBH field, 13Dec44
13 Dec 44 - Taken-on-Strength of the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards (in the field) from No. 4 Canadian Base Reinforcement Battalion (No. 1 Canadian Base Reinforcement Depot)(X-4 List (Reinforcement) for the Cape Breton Highlanders)

27.wounded 16Dec44
16 Dec 44 - wounded - became a casualty

28. admiited 3CGenHosp 16Dec44
16 Dec 44 - admitted to No. 3 Canadian General Hospital, R.C.A.M.C.

29 Transfd 1C FenHosp 21Dec44
21 Dec 44 - transferred to No. 1 Canadian General Hospital, R.C.A.M.C.

30. Transf14C GenHosp. ,23Dec44
23 Dec 44 - transferred to No. 14 Canadian General Hospital, R.C.A.M.C.

31. DISCH'd 14C GenHops 22Feb45, unit 4 Pldgds, place CL
22 Feb 45 - discharged from No. 14 Canadian General Hospital, R.C.A.M.C. - his parent unit being the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards

32. embarked Italy, 14Mar45
14 Mar 45 - embarked Italy

33. disembarked France, 17Mar45, 4 PLDG Place 21 AG(GF)
17 Mar 45 - disembarked in France - his parent unit being the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards (21st Army Group)

34. SOS X4 lost to W2Sr, 7Apr45 unit XL WNSA place, 21AG
[B]7 Apr 45 - Struck-off-Strength of the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards and transferred to the X-4 List (Reinforcement) for the West Nova Scotia Regiment (21st Army Group)

35. TOS from x4 WNSA 18Apr45 unit WNSR, place 21asy??
18 Apr 45 - Taken-on-Strength of the West Nova Scotia Regiment (21st Army Group) from the X-4 List (Reinforcement)

36. SOS fr CDN Armt o?S on Emb, 25Sep45
25 Sep 45 - Struck-off-Strength of the Canadian Army (Overseas) upon embarkation for Canada

37.TOS CDN Army Canada 26Sept45
26 Sep 45 - Taken-on-Strength of the Canadian Army (Canada)

38.SOS on posting to No.6 District Depot 26Sep45
26 Sep 45 - Struck-off-Strength of the Canadian Army (Canada) upon being posted to No. 6 District Depot (Halifax, N.S.) for discharge from the service

I'll expand on the above mentioned in greater detail when I reply to the material you sent me.

Cheers