9.00-13 Tyres

[Jim Price]

I'm new to the CMP world, having recently completed the details of the purchase of a F8, 4x 2 truck. Although the tires are still inflated (one is saging a bit) I suspect that they will be a needed purchase as I intend on driving it to shows and reenactments.

I've checked all the tires sources I can find to no avail. The last place I started to look at farm implement tires. However, now that I have access to this site, I thought I might save myself some work if any of you had any sources. I live in Arizona but would be willing to bear the freight costs from any supplier you all could recommend.

I'm aware that these size tires are scarcer than hens' teeth so any words of comfort will be appreciated!

[Tony Smith]

Hi, Jim and welcome to Maple Leaf Up.

Much has been written on 9.00-13 tyres, but little has been found in the way of a suitable new replacement product. I'm afraid you're limited to scouring swapmeets for usable 2nd hand tyres, or settling for modern styles with ATV or agricultural tread patterns!

Read up on the subject here.

[Paul Singleton]

Dirk Leegwater still has tires posted on his site. I think the shipping would be prohibitive though. Tires are near the bottom of this page.

http://www.lwdparts.com/vwwvehprts?o...id=a&count=100

Paul

[cletrac (RIP)]

One possible avenue is 9.50x13 aircraft tires. There's no tread but they're about 12 ply tires. I have a line on some used ones that I'm going to try on my C8. The lack of tread won't be an issue at the speeds involved.

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by cletrac

One possible avenue is 9.50x13 aircraft tires. There's no tread but they're about 12 ply tires. I have a line on some used ones that I'm going to try on my C8. The lack of tread won't be an issue at the speeds involved.

In general aircraft tires are designed for a short run at the speed appropriate to the airplane they fit, followed by a significant cooling period.
In other words, they may be rated to carry a much heavier load than a 8cwt at higher speeds than any CMP can hope to achieve and still fail from heat stress after a short/slow drive (by vehicle standards).

[Jim Price]

Tony, thanks for the reference to previous messages regarding the 9.00 x 13 tires. I did look up both Alliance and MRF and found one tread design for Alliance with what I think are 8, 10, and 12 ply ratings. MRF had two tread designs, Sandmaster and Sandgrip, both of which were 6ply. The chart for the Alliance tire had a multitude of technical data. If someone with more knowledge of thtire specs could look at them I'd appreciate it. By the way, I liked the appearance of the MRF Sandgrip tires; has an aggressive tread. Any thoughts?

[Lang]

Jim,

Look at the thread below 900X16 tyres.

MRF catalog shows 900X13, they are road rated, not implement specific, readily available and a good price. From Agtyre in Moree Australia and from the MRF distributor in most countries.

They may not have them in stock but will just add to the next shipment order.

Lang

[Mike K]

Jim

MRF = Madras Rubber Factory ..... in India .

They manufacture all sorts of stuff, including cricket bats .

Sachin Tendulkar the pint sized Indian superstar batsman , always uses a MRF bat . Apparently they wanted a high profile sportsman to promote MRF, they got into making cricket bats just to get him .

Mike

[Jim Price]

Lang:
I continued my web searching and found a dealer in Sparks, Nevada (a neighboring state of Arizona's), Tires International, who handles the MRF line of tyres. I called them and was advised that they did not have the Sandgrip tyre in stock (surprise, surprise) and were not sure if it was still being manufactured. They did agree to contact MRF on this question as well as cost. They advised me that if they were still available it would take 3 months to get the tyres delivered to me. (By the way, Tires International has a location in Stow, Ohio for those who live in the eastern part of the North American continent.)

I also found a dealer in Surrey, B.C., Canada, MDF Tire Canada Inc. that handles the MRF line. However, they do not handle the military tires and did not express any desire to do so.

Regards,
Jim

[servicepub (RIP)]

Try Coker Tire. They have a selection of military tires. http://store.coker.com/cat/vintage-millitary-tires/

[Jim Price]

Clive:
I checked out Coker and they do not have any 9.00 x 13. Thanks, though, for the suggestion. I've also put in a call to Wallace W. Wade in Texas to see if he has anything.

Regards,
Jim

[Jim Price]

To All:
I received a call back from Wallace Wade in Texas. Although he does not have any of the 9.00 x 13 tyres in stock, he advised that he does own the molds for them having purchased them from a company located near Toronto, ON, Canada some years back. He needs orders totalling 100 tyres before he will make a production run. He estimated the cost of the tyres would be in the $100-$150 USD range. He can be contacted at 1-214-688-0091. I've dealt with him before and his products are good ones.

Regards,
Jim

[Jim Price]

Australian Members:
Would someone contact an Australian distributor of the MRF 9.00 x 13, Sandgrip tyres and find out what the cost each to an Australian would be? It'll help me in establishing my restoration budget. I'm kind of compulsive about numbers/costs being the US version of your Chartered Accountant.

Regards,
Jim

[Jim Price]

I found a distributor of MRF Tyres in Sparks, Nevada but they will not sell me the 9.00 x 13 tire as they are not Department of Transportation-approved.

As for a production run with the original mold owned by Specialty Tire, I could only come up with orders for 28, far below the 100 tire run they require.

Anybody out there with any suggestions?

[cletrac (RIP)]

I'd be in the market for five of them if the cost is reasonable.

[Jim Price]

I've been in contact with a wholesale tyre company in Australia and they will ship five each tyres and tubes to the US for $1,600. This price includes $600 for surface shipping. $320 each for each set of tyre and tube. Any takers or comments? (Other than ouch!)

[Lang]

Jim,

If they can find someone to buy at that price, I am going into the tyre export game. They obviously don't want the business.

You can see in my message above what the Australian price is from the importers - well under $200 per tyre/tube/rustband unit.

Lang

[Jim Price]

Lang:
The tyre cost is $171 each with the tube at $29 each. There were no rustbands available for this size tyre. The surface shipping is the killer at $600 total for the five sets or $120 per tyre.......

Jim

[rob love]

Did Wallace ever get back to you with the style of tread on the molds he owns?

Shame we could only get to the 28 mark. Maybe some better form of advertising the possibility of these tires has to take place. For instance, the possibility could be listed in each of the Canadian clubs newsletters. That might scrounge up most of the balance needed.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

One question - does the shipping price go down for quantity purchase?

[rob love]

Even with a reduced shipping price, the tires will not be allowed into Canada unless they have the DOT certification on the sidewall. One could try and BS customs, saying they are an implement tire, but you could later get caught up when you go to get your vehicle safetied before licensing it.

I am waiting with anticipation to find out more information about the design of the mold. What kind of tread pattern geberally was on the united tires? I remember seeing jeep tires with United's name on them years back.

[Bob Carriere]

When we brought over 22 tires from Wallace across at Prescott the Custom officer never even went outside to check what they were...... he wanted to know if it was for resale or personal use...and if manufactured in the USA....... 22 tires...personal use...!!!! so we explained the use on 1940 vehicles and tires shared between 4 users.....

Now the Wallace tires where tested and certified in the States and DOT stamped .......

The biggest concern and risk of using non DOT tires comes about when you have an accident and some wise policemen or investigator notices the flaw....

.....for example the last big accident in Europe when a C60/F60 rearended a Dodge WC........ I would not want to be the driver of the CMP if he had bad or inappropriately certified tires......

I would not be difficult to "snow" a custom officer with a 9:00x13 tire odd size and declare that it is for agricultural use..... I have this "ditchwitch" which needs tires badly....... but you may be only fooling yourself in the long run.

The UPS store in upper NY where I keep a mail box was so full of various racing slick, motorcycle tires, huge 4x4 tires stacked to the ceiling it made Canadian tire store look like a convenience store...... all destined for Canadian buyers....... the only cost at custom is PST&GST......

I enquired about bringing back a huge BBQ I had seen on sale at Lowe's... I was told that as long as it was manufactured in the USA... only PST&GST applies...... with the dollar hovering at par now is the time to get tires and stuff.

BooBee

[Jim Price]

I spoke with Wallace this morning and he advised that Specialty Tire is cleaning the molds for the 9.00 x 13 to see if any repairs need to be done.

He did say that the mold was originally owned by United Tire which Wallace thought might have been located in Rexdale, Ontario. He remembers seeing the molds and thought that they had the chevron design.

He estimated that the D.O.T. process would only take a couple of weeks as the tires would be classified as off-road tires.

He also thought that there was a chance that Specialty might make a run of less than 100 but said that he needed to talk with them about the status of the mold. He had no best guess as to the cost per tire. He was pleased to hear that I'd come up with tentative orders for 28 tires. He took my number and said he'd get back to me.

[rob love]

I never thought the words "chevron design" would make me smile, but it did.

Good work. I guess it's now up to us in North America to spread the word.

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Jim

I am wondering what the designation DOT approved for "off road" will mean or what restrcition it will imply...???

for example some tires are marked for...."Agricultural use only" or "max. speed of 35 kph".......

does it mean that you cannot drive on a city street at legal limits...??

......"off road" use only might explain the ease of obtaining approval from DOT.......

That being said......... how come we see farm equipment being driven on paved roads.... at a good speed....

......legally in Ontario such farm vehicles are not licensed, not subject to road safety inspection/certification and the driver does not need a driver's license........ but my farm insurance does provide me with $1 million liability insurance.......

.. in fact in my area the COOP is driving a modified International truck crop sprayer with extra large terra grip threads at a darn good clip 70+kph and I have a hard time beleiving the special tires are certified for highway use...

We do live in an interesting time.....??

Would be nice to see a staff car...circa 1940...painted sand color.... and sporting special rims with brand new 9:00x13 chevron tires......hihihi

Boob