2009 at the Hammond Barn

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

If you're in Toronto and either (a) want a break or (b), need a bed, call me. You're welcome anytime, mate...

I appreciate the offer Geoff, and thank you for it. However, the trip will be down and back as the frau returns from visiting her folks the next day...I want to sneak in another "shopping trip" before the leash gets attached.

[cmperry4]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

After lunch, we mounted the front clip onto the HUP. It really made the truck look good!

It was a great weekend at the Hammond barn despite the setbacks.

The video and pic of the HUP are inspiring to see! Managed to get my engine back in and all the windows rebuilt, and the AA hatch back on, intera alia, during vacation. Still finicking with bits and bobs of windshield throwout hardware. Gas tanks still being worked on.

Say, you don't have a spare set of shock links and a rear/side door on any of those HUPs you picked up, do you?

Cheers
MP

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by cmperry4

The video and pic of the HUP are inspiring to see! Managed to get my engine back in and all the windows rebuilt, and the AA hatch back on, intera alia, during vacation. Still finicking with bits and bobs of windshield throwout hardware. Gas tanks still being worked on.Say, you don't have a spare set of shock links and a rear/side door on any of those HUPs you picked up, do you? Cheers MP

Hi Mark, Good to hear from you and that the western HUP is progressing. We have been fortunate at the barn in that we recovered three HUP rolling frames and a body with one side door only- all 43-44, so the shock links won't fit the 45. However, if you go to the Vintage Powerwagon site ( http://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/pd.../16springs.pdf ) you will see some 9 1/4 in downlinks for sale at $15.00 ea. This is where I got mine. As for doors, none of the doors I have are useable, either from rust or abuse or both. But! An opportunity just came up that I am going to investigate. There may be some news in this regard next week.

I still have the upper divider frame for you. Some day I will get out your way, I just don't know when...in the meanwhile, I am looking forward to comparing notes with you on your 45 HUP. Cheers!

P.S.
No luck with your friendly farmer?

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Mark

On the shock absorber links..... are in need of front or rear....????

I may have some rear available..... no fronts.....but Rob suggestions is a good one.

On the doors..... any considerations to fabricating your own....?

Rob may have to do that..... and I will work with him to repro as accurately as possible.......

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Thinking of replacing my copper electrodes on my spot welder to reach hard areas....... yours looked more adaptable.....

What is the exact diameter of your copper rods...where they fit in to the main body........?

Boob

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Thinking of replacing my copper electrodes on my spot welder to reach hard areas....... yours looked more adaptable.....

What is the exact diameter of your copper rods...where they fit in to the main body........?

Boob

Hi Bob

I've started on response to post about flywheel, got to find a particular picture. I'll measure the rods on the welder today.

Cheers Phil

[Bob Carriere]

..... how was the Weare event this year....?


We are getting ready at the barn for more recovery.....hihihi

Bob C.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Today driving past Bob's place of employment, I observed an unconscionably large modern 4x4 truck with a distinctive "vanity" plate that would bring a smile to any Rusty Old Trucker on this forum. It isn't Bob's truck that got my attention. I already knew Bob wasn't shy, but that he was parked 3 spaces to the right of the space permanently reserved for the top dog, the big cheese, the man in charge, the one who has to answer to the Numero Uno.

I feel flushed with pride knowing I know someone so important. Or maybe just amused that Bob would just park on top of some insignificant little eco' fuel sipper.

[Bob Carriere]

I own you one Terry!!!!!

....for the non educated..... as a long term Pubic Servant with a bad back (hell the front ain't much better) ....I get to Park in the Krippy section 3 spots away from the Minister.....hihihi

Age does have it's priviliges.....

Bob

[Gunner]

Boobee:

When is yer next trip to the warm part of Ontario? Stewart Loy has a tarp for me and I have a cheque for him!

If'n yer willing perhaps I could reward the delivery of said tarp to the Ottawa area with a case of something cold and fizzy!

Mike

[Craig Tanner]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

Today driving past Bob's place of employment, I observed an unconscionably large modern 4x4 truck with a distinctive "vanity" plate that would bring a smile to any Rusty Old Trucker on this forum.

This was a surveillance photo taken during a recent incursion into "the very few and far between CMP territories". The vehicle and plate are very similar to the one listed above. The perpetrator was apprehended and interrogated using the tired and tested down east method........beer boarding.

Bob! Thank you for stopping and visiting with us, Bill and I both wish that it could have been a bit longer but thanks stopping here as a part of your down east venture. I hope that you and Joyce had a great trip !!

Kind regards

Craig Tanner

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Gunner

Boobee:When is yer next trip to the warm part of Ontario? Stewart Loy has a tarp for me and I have a cheque for him! If'n yer willing perhaps I could reward the delivery of said tarp to the Ottawa area with a case of something cold and fizzy! Mike

Mike, I am heading west to TO area very early tomorrow AM. Coord an RV with Stewart anywhere east of the highway to Orangeville, and I will pick up the tarp for you...

[Bob Carriere]

If Rob's sortie does not work I may be visiting in laws in Grimsby later in September and can easily contact Stew for pick up...

Our most imminent recoveries may take us by the Northern route to Huntsville so no warm weather in that trip....

....other trips will materialize......

In case you are going back to Awphrikka, I can still pick it up if you just make sure to prepay Stew then any of us visiting in the TO area can then pick it up.

BooBee

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

We'll be seeing Stewart 05/06 Sept near WIndsor so no sweat grabbing the tarp if necessary - at least it's closer to Nottawa than there...

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Mike, I am heading west to TO area very early tomorrow AM...

The trip to the TO area went OK. A deal was agreed upon and delivery is to be announced. More on that later. Gunner, I was surprised (and a bit relieved) when I drove past the S&P Museum this morning (at 100kph...) not to see you in a bathrobe trying to wave me down. There will be more southbound trips in the next few months...

I was also surprised by the damage done by the twisters that ravaged Durham County / Vaughan area. In a few towns it looked like Fall - except the leaves were green and most were still attached to limbs on the ground. Unfortunately, a 11 year old boy was killed during this climate event, but thankfully there were no other fatalities.

[Bob Carriere]

Guess will have to clear another 2 or 3 acres of forest to make space.....

....at the rate we are going we are good for only another 20 years....hihihi

Maybe we should apply for a Guvurment grant and start up the Hammond Museum or old folks home for CMPs.......

The phuttore Kewraytor.

BooB

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Guess will have to clear another 2 or 3 acres of forest to make space.........at the rate we are going we are good for only another 20 years....hihihi Maybe we should apply for a Guvurment grant and start up the Hammond Museum or old folks home for CMPs.......The phuttore Kewraytor. BooB

We already have a government "Grant". You have to be a little more specific when making wishes... As for the name, I think Boobee *HATCH would work, but getting funding would be difficult. The way it works is the gov't pork trough supervisor looks around and if the idea is "new" and expensive, out goes the money. I offer the "Human Rights Museum" as an example - why it is in Canada I don't know... Since we already have the CWM and the S&P Museum in our locale, getting funding will be a great challenge.

In any case, we will have to look into dates and timings for a good sized recovery mission end Sept-early Oct... On the road again...

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Thinking of replacing my copper electrodes on my spot welder to reach hard areas....... yours looked more adaptable.....

What is the exact diameter of your copper rods...where they fit in to the main body........?

Boob

Hi Bob

Here is the information on the spot welding prongs, the first picture shows my collection of prongs, while my HTP QuickSpot II Spot Welder uses welding arms which are at the mounting point Diameter of .787 inches or approximately 20MM. http://www.htpweld.com/products/spot...quickspot2.htm http://www.htpweld.com/products/spot...ersatongs.html

Over the years I have also used prongs or welding arms which are for the made I believe made for the Hobart http://www.hobartwelders.com/product...ips_chart.html http://www.hobartwelders.com/products/spot/hsw/ and others which are smaller in diameter by using brass bushings to match the size. The other tips I have are .625 inch diameter.

You will note that the long tongs are covered in rubber this is just sheet rubber to act as insulation so that the tongs don’t ground out on when reaching in to a deep point.

Hope this answers your questions.


Weare Rally was good though a bit wet, the East Weare flood control area that we usually use for trail rides was actually closed on Saturday because of high water so alternative rides had to be used. Several Youtube posts of the rally can be found at http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f . Vehicle count at noon on Saturday was 125+/- on the field.

[Bob Carriere]

....so no matter what they say in these Men magazines.... size does NOT matter if you use a brass sleeve........ hummm!

The one I need for the doors is the bottom RH on the first picture also shown as the top LH on the second slide.....

I need to reach inside the frame and clearance is a problem.... like the idea of a rubber sleeve to make sure the pwoer goes where it is intended.....

Will be measuring tomorrow.....

....currently in process of ripping off the floor to reach Tcase linkage for adjustment........

Will keep you posted of my findings.....

Thanks again for your help...

Bob C.

See picture of the door profile.....

[Gunner]

Hi Guys:

Thank you all for the various offers. I will be putting the cheque in the mail (yeah, I know, where have we heard that ONE before!) this evening after I deposit Her Majesty's monthly pension to this somewhat worn old warrior.

Bob: your offer for later in Sep seems the simplest (Jiff, much appreciated that you would get it to TO for me!) so if'n I can impose, thats the way I'd like to go. I leave for 'frika on 2 Oct and return about 23 Nov.

Mike

[Bob Carriere]

.....tentative plans are a visit on Oct 11 to pick up the mother inlaw.... and do Acton....hihihi....sneaky ain't I...... or may be earlier in Sept. to visit Joyce's Dad........

Will need to know when and where Stew is blowing things up......

Bob C.

[RHClarke]

Had to make a difficult choice this day. Stay at home and listen to 10 screaming kids attending a birthday party, whilst putting up with their mothers who get progressively anti-man as the wine flows, or go to the barn...

What a great day at the barn. Today we had some visitors - the first one arrived to take measurements of various CMP items and to bring Bob up to speed on things going on in the west end of Ottawa. Bob missed the Gracies call, so Don Dingwall had to repeat all of his Gracies banter. The next visitor was Rob Hutchingame, CO of the Manotick Army Cadet Corps and family friend. Rob had to make the same decision as I had to, and he chose the correct path forward. The morning went quite fast and we headed into Hammond city centre for a brunch at Mike's Place.

After brunch, Don headed back to the wild west, and Rob H was put to work in the HUP wagon lines. First, we tarped the Gough/Ginn HUP body. Then we filled her up with all sorts of HUP hardware that had been sitting on back of my Philips HUP. The other HUPs were suitably tarped and cleaned out. Then it was back to the barn.

Bob and Grant were dissecting Bob's drive train so Rob H and I decided to replace tire number three on the Prototype HUP. After the wheel was removed, we demonstrated the "new" and "improved" de-rimming technique. This involved the safe removal of all of the nuts on the rim and the judicious use of long punches to separate the bead from the rim. Once the punches were in, chisels were used along the rim to further move the rubber away from the rim.

Rob H and I think we set the new record for removing old tires from rusty HUP rims. It took 5 minutes. The local peanut gallery moaned that it was because the HUP rims were a different angle and therefore easier to de-rim. As well, a number of theories were offerred about the ease of de-rimming the HUP - it had rolled on it's tires and therefore were easier to remove, etc...

In any case, the official timekeeper verified that the 5 minute mark was achieved. I now offer the challenge to all - beat our record of a 5 minute Prototype HUP tire de-rimming, and I will let you have the first offical drive of the Prototype upon restoration roll-out.


After that fun, I asked Rob H if he knew what a needle gun was...he knows now. Being a good sport, he had a go at cleaning up one of the Prototype's freshly opened rims. After a good spell of ear-splitting needle-gunning, Bob took pity on Rob H and stood us down for a beer (which evaporated quickly).

That wrapped up the day for us. Rob H and I headed back to the city and to our wives and kids. They did not seem to miss us...

[RHClarke]

So much for the "routine" 5 minute HUP wheel derimming...This weekend I attempted to derim one of two remaining serviceable HUP wheels - both came with the Prototype HUP.

5 minutes turned into almost 5 hours. The chisel and punch technique refused to work. The sledgehammer technique was equally frustrating. Soaking the gap between the rim and the casing with gasoline failed to produce any noticable results. Kharma, it seems favours the modest. Grant's smile said it all. After soothing my hurt pride, I found out why the tire refused to derim in the same manner as all of the others. It was a runflat tire with a hell of a lot more surface area at the bead. We resorted to Bob's wood splitter to break the bead and finally the inner rim separated from the tire.

The run flat - one tough SOB to derim:


In the meanwhile, Grant took on the chore of sandblasting (using quartz as the media) his rims and some of Bob's sheet metal. Here he is expelling noxious emissions:


I took a break from the rim bashing to blast the already separated HUP rims. It was fun in comparison to tire bashing.Paint soon followed.
HUP solar collector:


Bob and Grant also replaced U joints for their drive shafts. Bob sprays his short drive shaft:


It was a warm and sunny day with just a hint of a breeze - which kept the sandblasting dust away from the barn. The late summer weather has been great for the past week with more of the same coming this week. After some time remediating Bob's drive train issues, we enjoyed a cold beer before closing up shop and spoke of an upcoming road trip - details to be announced...

[Bob Carriere]

I had hoped Rob would not tell everyone I had a "short drive shaft".....

....oh well at least it's green.

I also installed my NOS fuel strainer as teh early cab 11 did not have them I had to make a template based on other cab 12...... then and only then did Grant show me the template in the service bulletin manual.... but I had it right anyways..... fuel lines are are installed with metal tie down straps over a high pressure air line section...... trying to avoid the potential fire hazards reported by Phil....

I had originally installed the short middel driveshaft and front shaft "as is".... the U joints looked good and tight...., but since the floor was off the trcuk and access was easier from the top and already had purchased the four Spicer U joint we did all four....... and I am very relieved to say that one showed some signs of flat spot wear and another had dried up..... now I know I have 6 new Spicer.....

It just never ends......

Bob C.

[RHClarke]

Another safe road trip is under our belt. The Hammond division of the Ottawa Rotters made their way to the Barrie Automotive Flea Market last Friday as the precursor to our foray into Muskoka cottage country for a double recovery mission.

Barrie was exciting as usual, but no great treasures were found. The usual assortment of new and used automotive goods was available. The boys may post their finds later. After a day wandering the flea market, we headed out for a good meal in Barrie. Our spy contacted us to confirm the location for the recovery mission on Saturday morning.

After a good breakfast in Barrie, we headed north to Huntsville. At Huntsville we took a country road into the pre-autumn Ontario forest. The sunny day and beautiful countryside made the trip even more enjoyable than usual. We finally arrived at the secret location to find a CMP trailer and a 1942 HUW waiting for their new owners (Bob and myself respectively).

The 42 HUW:


We met up with our spy who introduced us to Ron, the owner. Ron indicated that he had other treasures located in the forest if we were interested. This generated a lot of talk as you may have guessed. More on that at a later date.

We had two "vehicles" to move on one float trailer. The float was not long enough for us to put both on nose to tail. The original plan was to load the HUW, remove the rear wheels and "hump" the front wheels of the CMP trailer over the rear axle of the HUW, knit them together with chains and head for home. Murphy had other plans. The nuts on the HUW would not budge. So we got the power bar and extension and heaved on the handle only to break it apart. Time for Plan B.

Plan B was simple in concept but much harder to realize...Load the HUW onto the CMP trailer and when secured, roll the CMP trailer onto the float. We had no heavy lift capability, but Bob was the man with the plan. We loaded the HUW onto Bob's trailer, ran it back to the CMP trailer and set ramps up to the CMP trailer deck. On the third attempt, the HUW rolled up onto the CMP deck. No mean feat as the HUW had flat tires on front and we had to double the winch line.

HUW on CMP trailer:


We then chained down the HUW to the CMP trailer and repositioned the float to load it. Again, we ran into problems with flat tires, but we finally prevailed. The entire load was knitted to the float with quite a few chains and load binders.

Loaded!


Well-stacked, indeed!


After everything was secured, we conducted a brake test and were happy to note that the trailer stopped (eventually) when we wanted it to.

Brian and Grant measured the height of the load and we found we were below the maximum height restriction for road travel. The only real problems we had on the trip home were the Sunday drivers and a tie down strap that Houdini would have appreciated. We made Ottawa by 8 PM and saved the off-load until Sunday morning – Bob will post more pictures of the off-load later.

This trip was not without its challenges, but was completed safely and two more CMPs joined the Hammond stable.

[servicepub (RIP)]

I'm trying to find the rule that says the Hammond barn is to be the repository for ALL wayward CMPs.

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by servicepub

I'm trying to find the rule that says the Hammond barn is to be the repository for ALL wayward CMPs.:

Clive, This rule was discussed in great detail at the last Gracie's session. You miss so much when you miss a meeting. Wait until you find out what you got "volunteer-ed" for...

[Bob Carriere]

....... suffice to say we had a wonderfull weekend.....

Here are pictures of the tricky loading...... getting the truck on the trailer was somewhat difficult as steering with two flat front tires is a challenge...but we got it done using the shepherders jack to lift and recenter the frame as required....

Loading the truck from the float to the trailer was much more difficult and risky.....what a relief when we finally got it done.

Pictures says it all.....

The 3 Rotters breathing a sign of relief....

...... and the man with out whom none of this would have happened...
.............. Thanks to Brian Gough........


Boob

[Bob Carriere]

As often written in shop manual simply reverse the disassembly process......

At least now we had access to the old Massey tractor and the bucket....

We rolled off gently using the tractor and Grant controlled the playing out of the winch cable.... then lifted the rear of the HUW.... gently on the ground..... lifted the front end and Grant pulled the trailer from underneath with is Ford....

Voila.....

BooB

[Bob Carriere]

Father and son playing......


....and the untold secret of how Rob can unrim a 60 years old CMP tire in less than five minutes.....

Boob