Photos of an old abused veteran

[Lionelgee]

Hello Everyone,

Here are some more photos of trucks from my recent trip. Enjoy

Without starting another thread ... could anyone post a couple of photos of the front and side of a CMP I have heard of called a Monkey Face and similar photos showing a late war model of the CMP so I can work out how the shape changed.

Please excuse my lack of knowledge as I am new to CMP's. Until recently I used to walk past these trucks in the yard. It must have something to do with bouncing around the inside of a blitz cab for hours when I was 15 years old and was riding shotgun in a volunteer bushfire brigade blitz tanker truck. Driving cross country chasing fires and not having time to pick a smooth track was lots of fun at the time however I remember being more than wee bit sore and sorry after a couple of days of the continued rough treatment. There was also a big Studebaker 6x6 tanker too – I wonder what happened to them?

Then I remembered a couple of days ago something else. When I was a kid in primary school there used to be a metal fabrication yard at the back boundary fence of the school. There was a worn out blitz crane truck parked amongst the reject fabrications and I used spend hours playing in it after school. About the only thing left in the cab was the steering wheel and a gearstick assembly.

Gee can Blitz trucks lay dormant in the blood for years and then jump out and grab you by the throat in your mid 40's?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

G'day Cliff

I tried to get the five photos attached to the last message, Cliff - I promiise I did. However, a database error sprung up on MLU and I had to try again. It was not me - it was the technology .... honest

Cliff identifed the truck for me as Chev 13 cab, 15cwt (3/4 ton) 101 inch Wheel Base model - 2 wheel drive version - thanks Cliff.

Until then I never knew the CMPs came as such a small truck - I thought someone had done a cut and shut job on it when I first saw the truck-ette.

Now one photo for each finger on my hand - that must be five - I'll just check I will see if all those years of edumacation has paid off

Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

It was built as a C15 Wireless Signals, WO73 model with a full steel integrated box van body.

Bit like this example seen in the 1970s:



Or this restored example:

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

G'day Cliff

I tried to get the five photos attached to the last message, Cliff - I promiise I did. However, a database error sprung up on MLU and I had to try again. It was not me - it was the technology .... honest

Cliff identifed the truck for me as Chev 13 cab, 15cwt (3/4 ton) 101 inch Wheel Base model - 2 wheel drive version - thanks Cliff.

Until then I never knew the CMPs came as such a small truck - I thought someone had done a cut and shut job on it when I first saw the truck-ette.

Now one photo for each finger on my hand - that must be five - I'll just check I will see if all those years of edumacation has paid off

Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

Here's a wartime image of a bogged one which is also missing it's roof:

[Keith Webb]

This is my F60L cab 12:

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

G'day thanks for the information. Since the last post I went for a bit of a search and found this site by Colin MacGregor Stevens. It mentions the following... it also has some links with a photo of a spare tyre carrier and trays of trucks...

http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canad...ry_pattern.htm

Now Howard, Keith and Cliff is the information on the above internet site actually accurate? There seems to be a lot of conflicting stuff in CMP land.

So how about this for a rule of thumb ....headlights which are bolted to the cowl = that M-face word and integrated headlights are the later models. I also like the description of Series 13 trucks "much roomer inside..."
Very nice truck Keith.

Howard thanks to the link to Keith's CMP site.

A flying CMP is a great photo Cliff - bet you they regretted it when they landed!

Kind Regards
Lionel

IDENTIFYING CMP MODELS
Data plates are the first thing to look for. One early models they are often on the engine cover inside the cab. On late models they are usually on top of the dash over the instruments on Chevrolets, and on the driver's door inside near the top on Fords.

If data plates are missing, Fords have year marked on 'back' of pintle hook. One can see it by climbing under the truck, and looking at the rear of the pintle hook. There is a circular hole in the mounting plates and one can usually see "FM Co 43" for example (as I recall, it is some years since I have looked). This example would be Ford Motor Company 1943.

Early models:
Cab 11 (1940 model) - Fixed windshield, no roof hatch, small hinged panel to access engine from outside. Suicide doors (hinged at back). Cramped cab. Headlights standing separate and on fenders (giving them the nickname "Monkey Face" down in southern regions of the world.
Cab 12 (1941 model)- The Cab 12 is basically the same as Cab 11 but had minor modifications done in response apparently to user feedback (aka complaints), especially from the North African desert. As per Cab 11 but windshield opens a few inches as a single unit, some models have a roof hatch. Large hooks on doors so they can be propped open about 6". "Alligator hood" - better engine access. Vents incorporated on each side of radiator grill to provide moving (not necessarily cooler!) air to the cab when driving.
Cab 13 (1942-1945 model)- Total design change. Much roomier. Reverse slope windshield, doors hinged at front, headlights buried inside cowl. Some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. Early models of Chevs had "cluster" instruments and later models had separate round instruments.

8 Cwt (1/2 ton) - Tires 9.00x13 or 9.25x16 on HU 4x4 models. 101" WB. No step under door to get into cab.
15 Cwt (3/4 ton) - Tires 9.00x16. 101" wheelbase.
30 Cwt - 10.50x16 tires. 134" WB
60 Cwt (3 ton) - 10.50x20 tires. 134" or 158" WB

"Z" was letter code at beginning of DND or WD number painted on the door. This was for trucks 8 Cwt or 15 Cwt. "L" was for Lorry which was the category for 3 Ton (60 Cwt). There are many other letter prefix codes but those are the most common.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

Keith, you know the forum rules. This should be posted in the "For Sale or Trade Forum" section.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

Hello ALl,

Having a quick look again at Keith's truck... it is pretty hard to miss it on the page... and the condition of the tyres raises a question or two or maybe three. How hard is it to get tyres for these trucks in Australia are they readily available or from limited suppliers and cost the earth? What would you pay for a new one?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Howard]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

...Without starting another thread ... could anyone post a couple of photos of the front and side of a CMP I have heard of called a Monkey Face and similar photos showing a late war model of the CMP so I can work out how the shape changed....
Kind Regards
Lionel

G'Day Lionel,
Have a look at Keith Webb's web site Start Here as there are examples of all models. I realy don't like the term 'monkey face', but I know I am not going to be able toi stamp out almost 70 years of reference in a hurry!
The Cab 11 and 12 are what is refered to as a monkey face. Two excellent examples HERE and HERE
Spend a bit of time on Keith's Old CMP site (first link) and you should get the picture of the differences.
Of course if you need any clarification, just ask!
HH

[cliff]

below are 2 photos (AT-134 & AT-135) of an 11 cab Ford. These were the first of the CMP's. One piece grill and a small flat removeable panel on top in front of the windscreen to gain access to the motor. The third photo (AT-421) is of a 12 cab the second model of CMP. These had a split grill and a bonnet that lifted gaining access to the motor. Photos are all from Servicepublications factory photos CD which I recently purchased and is well worth the money to get.