Carrier wheel re rubbering got a group deal !

[RichardT10829]

Ok folks i have managed to secure a deal at a firm based in Gloucestershire to re rubber carrier wheels, the lead in time would be 2 - 3 weeks notice and the firm would need all bearings and rubber remains removed from the wheels, i have been quoted £70.00 per wheel which is half the price of what i have previously been quoted in the past and the material used would be "Elastomeric" which has the same appearence and impact resistance as the rubber which would be relaced (if not more) the firm would have to make a mould for our needs.

next question would be how many of us need wheels done ? i know i have two for sure and some of my remaining wheels are not too clever......

the quote given lasts for 30 days. you need to weigh up "How long can i wait for a good set of wheels to turn up on ebay or elsewhere" with " I am in a rush for new wheels" hehehehe these are thinning out a bit now, and as more and more carrier projects are being started the prices for second hand wheels will no doubt rise.


cheers

Richie

[Philliphastings]

Just have to acquire six roadwheels first, oh and of course the money to pay for the everything including transport and eventual shipping to Australia, then someone to act as agent in the UK for all the logistics. - not impossible but...

Cheers

Phill

[RichardT10829]

you need six wheels eh..... may be able to help you out there buddy, could get them all crated up, alot of my spares the rubber is jiggered though so they ultimately would need re covered be it here or over there. I should point out Phill, if you see stuff over here and want it just get it i will store it for you until you can get it back Down Under.... either that or i will start digging through to you now ? i could just roll the wheels to you

if we end up with a massive amount of wheels ie more than ten i may be able to haggle the price down further folks.....i had haggled a fair bit to get it to 70... but hey i am a "bolshy" Geordie lad i will give anything a try at least once I should point out that these moulds should also be ok for T16 road wheels, not sure if Lloyds are the same or if they are wider ala Windsor..

cheers folks

Richie

[martyn]

hi phill if richard acts as your stores if there is anything down south in the uk you want let me know and i could pick it up and deliver it to richard or he can pick it up from mine depending on how big and heavy as he hasnt got a propper vehicle for moving this sort of stuff lol mind you nor have i at the mo as towing 3 complete engines and gearboxes back on a trailer ended up with my landrover on a tow truck

richard what about the front road wheels ?

[Philliphastings]

Thanks for the offers of assistance Richard and Martyn. You have certainly got me thinking very seriously about it.

There is virtually no chance of obtaining useable roadwheels of the correct type over here so to have them re-rubbered and shipped out from the UK is a viable and financially justifiable option it seems.

Hmmm

Cheers

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

You could also look in this direction.I can keep an eye open.

[Philliphastings]

Thanks also Lynn. Perhaps you could carry a set over as hand luggage...


Cheers

Phill

[Lynn Eades]

I've been trying to produce dehydrated water for about 30 years. When I get that one sorted, I'll move on to freeze dried carrier wheels.

[colin jones]

Hey Phill, If you need to get your english wheels rerubbered over there, just ring a forklift tyre fitting company and they will arrange for you. It would have to be cheaper than getting them done in england.
Regards
Colin!

[ozm29c]

Phillip,
A bit off topic for me as a weasel man but I do know that Bigtyre in Toowoomba QLD;
http://www.bigtyre.com.au/index2.html
has a mold for Bren Gun Carrier wheels. I think it may be for Australian wheels though???? Could that tyre mold be altered for English carrier wheels?. The rerubbered tyres do look very impressive.
Cheers
John W.

[Lynn Eades]

Philip has not got any English wheels. He wants some. His carrier has Aust wheels which have been turned down.
Phillip, maybe a packer(s) can be fabricated to go in the mould?

[ron]

Originally Posted by ozm29c

Phillip,
A bit off topic for me as a weasel man but I do know that Bigtyre in Toowoomba QLD;
http://www.bigtyre.com.au/index2.html
has a mold for Bren Gun Carrier wheels. I think it may be for Australian wheels though???? Could that tyre mold be altered for English carrier wheels?. The rerubbered tyres do look very impressive.
Cheers
John W.

Hi Guys, the mould in question at toowoomba is the one that they made to do my first lot of carrier wheels,I had 10 done in the first batch, and I have had quite a few sets done since then, they do an excellent job, the mould is for australian wheels, if you can get enough starters they will make a mould for the British type wheels, by the way the wheels that I removed from the Marmon Herrington carrier conversion that I found a few years ago,was fitted with narrow Aust wheels, and I still have them,
Regards Ron

[RichardT10829]

Right Guys, thanks to kevins Persistence i have got the price down to £59.75 per wheel this price only if we can collate 15 wheels. does this interest anyone any further ? i can produce some, i know kevin can produce possibly six

(Kevin i cant get any lower than that matey i will show you the email so you know i am making zilche on this for myself...not that i intended to make anything for myself in the first instance )

My contact says with 15 wheels he can justify his workers doing a "Bulk Session" to get them produced and ready to go back to owners.

this price is based on the fact we have:-

1) the bearings removed and the grease cleaned out

2) The damaged remains of the rubber being removed


at the minute the wheels we will be running are the road wheels ie the 20" diameter (CTL / TL 94 type)

pending on how everyone (if anyone) feels we can make a run of idlers in the future.


let me know what you think guys, remember the road wheels are the same as T16's so those with T16's needing new wheels might want to jump in on the act too.


EDIT: Martyn if you get your front idlers done ala road wheel then turn them down on a lathe would this get you sortid quicker ? if not i am willing to remove my idlers off my hull if yours are ready to let go it will keep you going until we can sort you out some more ?



cheers

Richie

[kevin powles]

Hi Rich, I have a minimum of six to give you maybe more, Is it worth getting a trial wheel done to see how it looks and performs on a carrier?, It needs to last another 70 years also whats the best way in getting the old rubber off, I know it is probably burning it off but wont this effect the wheel casting?, also what finish do you need on the wheel surface to be rubbered, all remains of rubber removed then shot blasted to provide a key?.

just floating a few questions out there.

kevin.

[RichardT10829]

he did not specify just that all remnants of the rubber be removed. if you wanted a single wheel done first it would cost £70 i hear you loud and clear about its longevity so it may be an idea..... problem is my carrier is not mobile as yet As for blasting..... as you have access to a machine i would do them so when they come back they will be ready to go. I would do mine if i had access to a blaster hahaha. The rims have a beaded surface where the rubber meets them, or the wheels i have seen do..

my thoughts for removal were to the remains into section and knock off the rubber, whats left could either be grit blasted clean, wired brushed (using a mandrell on a grinder) or burnt off. as long as you dont heat the metal glowing hot you should be ok a gas torch would do the trick (this way is the least enviromentally friendly way to do it, and i will avoid this method if i can) i reckon if they were to be acid dipped the rubber would just fall off, ie costic cleaners down the road


EDIT: ps Kevin floating questions out there is exactly what we need to be doing buddy ! Your sand guards are now ready btw.


Richie

[cantankrs]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

...whats left could either be grit blasted clean... ...i reckon if they were to be acid dipped the rubber would just fall off

Hi Richie,

Good thread going here.

Just my 2c worth. My observation with rubber (and grease) and abrasive blasting is that the impact of the grit gets absorbed and tends to bounce off. So the item needs to be fairly well degreased and any rubber practically all removed. Also possibly the blaster may not want to uneccesarily contaminate the grit as they may reuse it a few times.

Also I'm not sure that acid reacts much to rubber.

Checkout Bob Moseley's earlier thread on this carrier wheel rubber removal subject.

The interesting thing about Bob's pics is that the rubber appears not to be burnt up and consumed, but appears to be heated to the point where it releases and thus stays relatively intact. Dousing the hot rubber afterwards with water might reduce the environmental impact.

Good Luck!!

Regards

Alex

[cantankrs]

Also, again referring to Bob Moseley's thread, sufficient heat is probably key. Being able to get the rubber hot quickly such that it releases before it starts to cook, and before the wheel absorbs too much heat.

Alex.

[Philliphastings]

An excellent post... Getting the rubber off the roadwheels I have might not be too difficult as it has hardened to the consistency of coal and shatters on impact !

I have a few spare narrowed Australian wheels with brittle rubber but then again what I really will need in the fullness of time is a set of genuine british narrow wheels with good or new rubber - then there are the british pattern idlers which are different again. I have a pair of originals fitted but they too are fragile.

Getting more narrowed Australian Pattern wheels (as generous as the offer is) probably wo'nt solve the problem of originality for me.

I'm looking at ways to raise the money, bite the bullet and have a set of authentic English rims re-rubbered and shipped to West Australia.

Cheers

Phill

[ron]

Hi Phil,
Regarding the English wheels that you require, check your P Ms,
Regards Ron

[Doghouse]

HI Richard- great news! just caught up with the thread- I need a full set of wheels done as they are all pretty shot- however as the carrier's running and will be tied up over the next few weeks (being the season.... ) I wouldnt be able to get the wheels over for a few weeks- would your man sitll be able to help??
Keep up the excellend work and hard bargaining, ye great geordie lad ye!
regards from Ireland
David

[RichardT10829]

Iam sure he will keep the offer open.....he would be throwing cash away if he didnt....i think Kevin has the right idea though, we need to get one done and tested on a carrier to see if it holds up to the abuse...

[martyn]

you have a rim from me mate get it done and we can fit it on and abuse it hahahaha

[RichardT10829]

yes that 70 quid is needed for the wedge i need to pay Brian hahahaha.

[carrierbarry]

Richard

Just found old details of a company that re rubbered my wheels in 2001.
R J B Rubber, Grange works, Batley, WF17 6LN.

They may still have all the details, Contact Trever Brown.

They did some expirements to get them right, as if they get to hot they strip off. So you have to get the material correct.

Barry

[RichardT10829]

cheers Barry. I spoke to my old man about removing the old stuff he reckons a laithe with parting tool will be best i may have access to a laithe with enough throw to fit the wheels to.

Barry do you have any pictures of the wheel you had done ? can you recall what material they used ?


cheers

Richie

[carrierbarry]

Sorry can't find those details.
Best speak to Trevor at RJB if he's still there.
Perhaps this is something Martyn can check out as I think Batley is near him?
Yes your proabley right about removing with a laithe.
What i should have said is, if the new material rubber is wrong they will strip off on your first trip because of the side presure of track wrap.

Barry

[RichardT10829]

Right. Kevin if your offer is there to test bench the wheel i can have one made up but it wont be until Feb (my pal is going to gloucester so will save on freight) you will probably need to test it in the most destructive spot on the carrier which in my humble opinion will be the rear bogey...... ket me know if you are up for this.

Richie

[kevin powles]

hi rich, yes good idea, let me know what you need, wont your carrier be running by feb?. Did you make up the wheel spacers, i'm having four made next week, i found some correct size bearings on ebay, £20 each from germany, i bought for to do my front idler wheels on the two carriers.

kevin.

[RichardT10829]

yes the shims are fantastic my front idlers i have changed bearings around etc and they are ok now. and i may be done in feb infact i beleive i will be done by then but with everything else my family and house etc come first and we have alot going on so Feb is a loose date so to speak.... plus i wont get any mileage done so we would all be wating longer for the results, where as you, or shaun, or Martyn, barry......Nigel....Ron (the list is getting bigger hehehehe) will no doubt clock up some miles and we can get the rubber tested for its viability for further production for everyone.

good score on the bearings though buddy i was quoted 48 + VAT per bearing for the correct size.... and circa £4 for the top end spec slightly bigger ones i have gone with. just hope the shim does not sweat onto the axle.. time will tell

[Marc van Aalderen]

Hello Richard,

After my trip to War & Peace another of my road wheels is beginnging to fall apart. I have 6 old worn wheels plus 2 bad ones still on my Carrier. If the testing of the "prototype wheel" is succesfull then count me in for 8 wheels please.

Cheers,

Marc